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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19063 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Isn't it illogical that you can display a 'false' price for a commodity, and offer a discount that corrects the 'error', but you cannot display the correct price and say there is a surcharge if you use a credit card. And in a country that has free speech. In Today’s Supreme Court Case, Freedom Of Speech Meets Your Wallet |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Isn't it illogical that you can display a 'false' price for a commodity, and offer a discount that corrects the 'error', but you cannot display the correct price and say there is a surcharge if you use a credit card. And in a country that has free speech. Unspoken in all this is the Master Credit Card Agreement that spells out the terms and conditions a merchant has. AFIK all the major credit card associations prohibit surcharge language contractually. Of course that is a civil matter, not a criminal one and the First Amendment only applies if the censor is the government. |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
It goes to deceptive practice and false advertising. Looks like we are preserving the ability to do so !! |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Given the fact that cards have a cost to the business, cash buyers are subsidising the card users purchases. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Given the fact that cards have a cost to the business, cash buyers are subsidising the card users purchases. Or the opposite as cash has costs of security, counting ... |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
I see very little cash use today. Especially in Big Box Stores, Supermarkets, Gas Stations, Starbucks, etc. Cashless society soon? Clyde I use a lot of cash because I want to minimize my footprint in the database. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Given the fact that cards have a cost to the business, cash buyers are subsidising the card users purchases. Gary that too is true, it is up to each business to figure that out. In my experience the cards charge less if a business has a large average transaction, think major appliances, a much higher discount rate for small ones, think burgers. As an aside charging for a big mac seems a bit bizarre. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Given the fact that cards have a cost to the business, cash buyers are subsidising the card users purchases. Funny you mention big mac ... https://consumerist.com/2015/06/02/forcing-mcdonalds-workers-to-accept-wages-on-debit-cards-not-okay-in-pa-says-judge/ |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Funny you mention big mac ... [url]https://consumerist.com/2015/06/02/forcing-mcdonalds-workers-to-accept-wages-on-debit-cards-not-okay-in-pa-says-judge/[/url] Gary that's not funny that's just plain immoral. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Funny you mention big mac ... https://consumerist.com/2015/06/02/forcing-mcdonalds-workers-to-accept-wages-on-debit-cards-not-okay-in-pa-says-judge/ But it increases profits, it is so TRUMP! Fees and surcharges, turn everything into a ceaseless revenue stream. OT-(It also is telling because it teaches about the bottom rung of the ladder. It is far underwater. It also puts a big lie into voter ID. MickeyDee's dang well uses e-verify so it isn't hiring illegals, but their employees don't have the needed ID to open a bank account to put a paycheck in, so they want cash. If they don't have that ID how are they going to have ID to vote, even though they are legal? They aren't, so their votes are suppressed just as their masters want.) |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Funny you mention big mac ... https://consumerist.com/2015/06/02/forcing-mcdonalds-workers-to-accept-wages-on-debit-cards-not-okay-in-pa-says-judge/ Yes Gary that is so Trump, he does have a decades long legacy of not paying his contracts in full. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Yes Gary that is so Trump, he does have a decades long legacy of not paying his contracts in full. As a member of the human race he as all should be held to standards of integrity otherwise we have anarchy. |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
I'd gladly start carrying paper money again if there was an incentive to do so, whatever the wording(discount or surcharge) at the cash register, but I never see a sign for that, and it's so easy to offer my card, I rarely have more than $5 in my wallet anymore. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
OT-(It also is telling because it teaches about the bottom rung of the ladder. It is far underwater. It also puts a big lie into voter ID. MickeyDee's dang well uses e-verify so it isn't hiring illegals, but their employees don't have the needed ID to open a bank account to put a paycheck in, so they want cash. If they don't have that ID how are they going to have ID to vote, even though they are legal? They aren't, so their votes are suppressed just as their masters want.) If the employees are legal, why don't they have the proper ID to open a bank account or vote? The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
I'd gladly start carrying paper money again if there was an incentive to do so, My incentive is a smaller footprint in the database. |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
I'd gladly start carrying paper money again if there was an incentive to do so, I don't see what the big deal is about the database. Once you're in it, your feet are wet, but it would be interesting to see what would happen if everybody decided to start using cash again exclusively for a month. I just haven't been anywhere locally that offers a discount for cash or imposes a surcharge for card usage. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
I don't see what the big deal is about the database. It is no ones business what I purchase. |
Gordon Lowe Send message Joined: 5 Nov 00 Posts: 12094 Credit: 6,317,865 RAC: 0 |
I don't see what the big deal is about the database. Well, that's true, I agree. The mind is a weird and mysterious place |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
OT-(It also is telling because it teaches about the bottom rung of the ladder. It is far underwater. It also puts a big lie into voter ID. MickeyDee's dang well uses e-verify so it isn't hiring illegals, but their employees don't have the needed ID to open a bank account to put a paycheck in, so they want cash. If they don't have that ID how are they going to have ID to vote, even though they are legal? They aren't, so their votes are suppressed just as their masters want.) Because the laws on voter ID don't accept what is permitted to work, they want different more restrictive ID. They don't accept the long list that is on the I-9 Form. |
Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
OT-(It also is telling because it teaches about the bottom rung of the ladder. It is far underwater. It also puts a big lie into voter ID. MickeyDee's dang well uses e-verify so it isn't hiring illegals, but their employees don't have the needed ID to open a bank account to put a paycheck in, so they want cash. If they don't have that ID how are they going to have ID to vote, even though they are legal? They aren't, so their votes are suppressed just as their masters want.) Also, when one is poor, it's very hard to maintain things like a license or even non-driver ID. One may not have the money for a renewal, which could lead to their ID becoming invalid, which then leaves one stuck in a catch22 where they can't get issued a new ID because: they don't have proper ID... It's easy to pinpoint people that have never known what it's like to be without. #resist |
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