And that all eligible voters shows up.
Unfortunately it's now a common trend not to vote.

Yes, good point. I wish everyone would vote.

How about an anti-poll tax. Send in $100.00 if you don't vote.
Hey, I bet that would clear the voter rolls of all those dead people PDQ!

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And that all eligible voters shows up.
Unfortunately it's now a common trend not to vote.

Yes, good point. I wish everyone would vote.

How about an anti-poll tax. Send in $100.00 if you don't vote.
Hey, I bet that would clear the voter rolls of all those dead people PDQ!

Over here if you don't vote then you may have to pay a token $50 fine. ;-)

Cheers.

And that all eligible voters shows up.
Unfortunately it's now a common trend not to vote.

Yes, good point. I wish everyone would vote.

How about an anti-poll tax. Send in $100.00 if you don't vote.
Hey, I bet that would clear the voter rolls of all those dead people PDQ!

You mean like the North Korean style where voting has about a turnout of 99.9 % ?
Nah. Only 50% of the eligible voters in the US showed up this year.
But then again.
Only 35% of the eligible voters in Russia showed up this year

Lesson #1.

Democracy is a political science term that refers to any related forms of government in which political power in the (usually) a state based on its citizens through general and free elections, mostly by elected representatives to its parliament (representative democracy).

But as Trump are saying...
"You Can't Always Get What You Want "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S94ohyErSw

And that all eligible voters shows up.
Unfortunately it's now a common trend not to vote.

Yes, good point. I wish everyone would vote.

How about an anti-poll tax. Send in $100.00 if you don't vote.
Hey, I bet that would clear the voter rolls of all those dead people PDQ!

Heh...

What about the Freedom and Liberty to NOT vote if one does not wish to??

And that 'anti-poll tax' would just make it easier to buy votes.

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

Were shocked that 'Right Wing' (Pro-Capitalist) Mussolini would ally himself with 'Left Wing' (Anti-Capitalist) Hitler.

And Molotov and Ribbentrop who divided Poland at the time!

You don't do it like this. (Electing someone like Trumpler)

(also, progressives are NOT left wing-- maybe in the new uRIGHTed states of america, but not in reality.)

Ex...

Correct, but I am using the present inaccurate terms.

BTW: NAZI (National Socialist) should be considered, using the present inaccurate terms, Left Wing.

This is the problem with our political discussions.

BTW 2: Churchill and other British Conservatives. Were shocked that 'Right Wing' (Pro-Capitalist) Mussolini would ally himself with 'Left Wing' (Anti-Capitalist) Hitler.

Sorry, but quite a number of terms are not... relevant... anymore.

Liberal vs. Conservative...
Left vs. Right...
Democrat vs. Republican...

Blargh.

The 'Progressive' idea has infected both sides...

Progressiveism = use of Government power to effect social change. This notion is Authoritarian.

In each of the three dichotomies I listed above both sides use the Same Methods to get to their desired end-point.

The true dichotomy currently in the USA is

Authoritarian vs. Libertarian.... And the Libertarians are NOT winning.

Trump vs. Clinton... Both were dangerous in the extreme. But, Trump won the election. So we have the Trump danger here until his Presidency ends.

Yes, it will not be pretty... But neither would a Clinton Presidency.

The USA 'lost' when the (sadly only) two major political parties nominated these two candidates.

We were screwed no matter which one of the two won...

It is time for everyone in the USA to concentrate on electing people that match their own political beliefs to Local and State Government offices. Maybe in 2020 we will have better choices. Maybe not.

But, CHANGE in the USA must come from the bottom up. In our political system, it is difficult if not impossible to CHANGE things from the top-down.

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

And that all eligible voters shows up.
Unfortunately it's now a common trend not to vote.

Yes, good point. I wish everyone would vote.

How about an anti-poll tax. Send in $100.00 if you don't vote.
Hey, I bet that would clear the voter rolls of all those dead people PDQ!

Heh...
What about the Freedom and Liberty to NOT vote if one does not wish to??
And that 'anti-poll tax' would just make it easier to buy votes.

The Freedom and Liberty to NOT vote if one does not wish to...

Compulsory voting is a system in which voters are obliged to vote in elections or attend a polling place on voting day. If an eligible voter does not attend a polling place, or lodge a postal vote, he or she may be subject to a penalty such as fines or community service. As of August 2013, 22 countries, including 12 Latin American countries, have laws for compulsory voting and 11 of these 22 countries enforce these laws in practice.[1]

Belgium is one of the countries.
Now there is a workaround to this.
Simply by giving unvalid votes!

And that all eligible voters shows up.
Unfortunately it's now a common trend not to vote.

Yes, good point. I wish everyone would vote.

How about an anti-poll tax. Send in $100.00 if you don't vote.
Hey, I bet that would clear the voter rolls of all those dead people PDQ!

Heh...
What about the Freedom and Liberty to NOT vote if one does not wish to??
And that 'anti-poll tax' would just make it easier to buy votes.

The Freedom and Liberty to NOT vote if one does not wish to...

Compulsory voting is a system in which voters are obliged to vote in elections or attend a polling place on voting day. If an eligible voter does not attend a polling place, or lodge a postal vote, he or she may be subject to a penalty such as fines or community service. As of August 2013, 22 countries, including 12 Latin American countries, have laws for compulsory voting and 11 of these 22 countries enforce these laws in practice.[1]

Belgium is one of the countries.
Now there is a workaround to this.
Simply by giving unvalid votes!

That is still Authoritarian. Compelling someone to do something under threat of Government power. Anti-Liberty.

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

I think if we weren't all so hung up on party associations, a lot of the angst would stop, and some actual good things for everybody would happen. I wish the political party system would go away, and we could vote based on the actual candidate.

And that all eligible voters shows up.
Unfortunately it's now a common trend not to vote.

A lot of effort was put in by Republicans to stop certain groups from voting at all. It was openly part of their campaign strategy.

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BTW: NAZI (National Socialist) should be considered, using the present inaccurate terms, Left Wing.

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BTW 2: Churchill and other British Conservatives. Were shocked that 'Right Wing' (Pro-Capitalist) Mussolini would ally himself with 'Left Wing' (Anti-Capitalist) Hitler.

WTF are you saying? Neither was a capitalist, nor left wing. They were fascists.

No one that I have ever come across has tried to distort the terms left wing and right wing except you.

The recent trend in America to define things as either pro government control or anti-government control is something peculiar to American politics and I suspect it's roots. Who benefits from loosening democratically elected systems control? Despite what people (read American, because this is purely an American view as far as I can tell) it's not the man in the street. The average poor white worker actually benefits from more government intervention. It protects the social safety net, it provides infrastructure, it provides policing, security, schooling, Healthcare and environmental protection when done properly. None of these things can be provided successfully by neo-liberal capitalism. Yet the very people that need government the most have been sold snake oil in the form of Trump. Trump and his team of ogliarchs will now go about cutting the very support systems designed to protect the average worker. They will cut their own taxes and any regulations designed to stop them doing too much damage in their quest for profits. Trump's business model has been one of screwing over the small guy and there is absolutely no reason that will stop now.

I've watched the American talking heads on the news shows trying to guild this turd they've elected, and make the best of it.

All this talk of left wing and right wing in America is nonsense. Just like you trying to portray Hitler and Mussolini as left wing and right wing. There is no left wing in America, and hasn't been for a long time. Reagan was actually left of Obama. Bernie Sanders was a genuine left wing candidate. The powers that be freaked out and thought America wouldn't have voted for such a blatant socialist. Maybe they were right, especially when you see what they did vote for.

The problem is that you don't know what left wing is, which is why you are having trouble labelling it. To most Americans it's a mythical creature you can only speculate about, and mostly come up with pure flights of fancy.

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And that all eligible voters shows up.
Unfortunately it's now a common trend not to vote.

Yes, good point. I wish everyone would vote.

How about an anti-poll tax. Send in $100.00 if you don't vote.
Hey, I bet that would clear the voter rolls of all those dead people PDQ!

Heh...

What about the Freedom and Liberty to NOT vote if one does not wish to??

Turn in a blank ballot, abstain is a vote.*
What about it is your duty to vote and serve jury duty?

And that 'anti-poll tax' would just make it easier to buy votes.

If it was, well find some examples from Australia where they have such a tax please?

*And it should count in vote totals, making it harder to get to 50%, which might reduce the amount of negative campaigning.

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That is still Authoritarian. Compelling someone to do something under threat of Government power. Anti-Liberty.

???
By voting means that you give some people Authority.
It's not a threat. It's a privilege.
It's called democracy if any wondering.

I think if we weren't all so hung up on party associations, a lot of the angst would stop, and some actual good things for everybody would happen. I wish the political party system would go away, and we could vote based on the actual candidate.

And that all eligible voters shows up.
Unfortunately it's now a common trend not to vote.

A lot of effort was put in by Republicans to stop certain groups from voting at all. It was openly part of their campaign strategy.

Yep... Groups such as dead people. Also people ineligible to vote such as illegal aliens.

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

That is still Authoritarian. Compelling someone to do something under threat of Government power. Anti-Liberty.

???
By voting means that you give some people Authority.
It's not a threat. It's a privilege.
It's called democracy if any wondering.

The oligarchs don't like democracy, remember our republic was founded by male property owners, not the masses and that is the way they want it.

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I think if we weren't all so hung up on party associations, a lot of the angst would stop, and some actual good things for everybody would happen. I wish the political party system would go away, and we could vote based on the actual candidate.

And that all eligible voters shows up.
Unfortunately it's now a common trend not to vote.

A lot of effort was put in by Republicans to stop certain groups from voting at all. It was openly part of their campaign strategy.

Yep... Groups such as dead people. Also people ineligible to vote such as illegal aliens.

"Funny, I don't feel illegal;." (Dillon, 1980.)

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Yep... Groups such as dead people.

Major that's pure spin AFAIK , the dead people were ones who were not purged from the voting polls, I know of no one whose ballot was cast. Can you cite a name or is this just conjecture? With a name prosecutors would have a field day.

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Yep... Groups such as dead people.

Major that's pure spin AFAIK , the dead people were ones who were not purged from the voting polls, I know of no one whose ballot was cast. Can you cite a name or is this just conjecture? With a name prosecutors would have a field day.

Rita A. Pezzano is one of them.

Died in 2006. Voted in the 2008, 2012, and 2014 elections and in the 2016 primary.

Joseph B. Haggarty.

Died 2010. Voted in 2015.

Paul Bunch.

Died 2006. Voted in 2016 primary.

And that is just off the top in Philadelphia, Pa. The FIRST result in a search for the activity.

http://6abc.com/politics/action-news-investigation-voting-from-the-grave/1575596/

Note, that is an ABC station... NOT a Fox station... And it is the ABC station's (WPVI-TV) OWN investigative work...

PURE SPIN??? Nope.

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

I think if we weren't all so hung up on party associations, a lot of the angst would stop, and some actual good things for everybody would happen. I wish the political party system would go away, and we could vote based on the actual candidate.

And that all eligible voters shows up.
Unfortunately it's now a common trend not to vote.

A lot of effort was put in by Republicans to stop certain groups from voting at all. It was openly part of their campaign strategy.

Yep... Groups such as dead people. Also people ineligible to vote such as illegal aliens.

That's because some countries don't require any sort of idenfication when voting.
Heck. We are living in the 21'st centuary!

Aren't computers grand. Do exactly what they are told, never what you want.

John Q. Public Sr. registered at 1234 Main St. takes ill. His son John Q. Public Jr. moves him to 4321 Nursing Home Ave. but doesn't change his voter registration because there is no need, Jr. moved in to the family home on Main St.. When Sr. dies, the death certificate lists the nursing home as his address because they file it. The registration computer doesn't get a name/address match, so Sr. stays as a registered voter.

Sen. Snivel, knows how that matching is done, so he has his computer look for those dead people and has his cronies cast ballots for himself. Snivel sends an absentee request before the sample ballots get mailed so Jr. never sees Dad is still registered. Of course each election a ballot is cast keeps the name on for the next election. If he ever doesn't vote, perhaps a postcard goes to his address and maybe the post office returns it to sender marked deceased or maybe Jr. does.

That's the problem of cleaning voter rolls in a nutshell. Because some local yokel is in charge and not a central database administrator, fraud is going to be trivial somewhere.

Oh and I just recently found out some dolt did a typo in my registration. They have the wrong DOB on file. I won't get purged!

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