the intel community needs to be downsized. (I could be very specific on removing wasted duplicate efforts.)

Oh do tell us, wise one.

Betregger this is exactly what Trumpler will say when he attempts to weaken the intelligence community to further his agenda.


POST TRUTH AND POST INTELLIGENCE

Things are going to be GREAT again!


SUBMIT!

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the intel community needs to be downsized. (I could be very specific on removing wasted duplicate efforts.)

Oh do tell us, wise one.

Oh wise one, wish that there be only one source, so if there is error, the nukes get launched.

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Push posted: "I was a member of the U.S. intel community for many years. I know what goes on inside SCIFs."

Obviously, he is not ignorant regarding specific knowledge.

Oh. I apologize. I didn't realize that once you've worked in intelligence, you get classified presidential briefings for life.

Those attacking him regarding this belief of his: "the intel community needs to be downsized. (I could be very specific on removing wasted duplicate efforts.) the above,"

Are attacking from ignorance.

Attacking his belief maybe, but not attacking him.


In the current age of globalization and the current state of affairs with MANY powerful entities, pooping on the intelligence community is probably the LAST thing someone should do. Unless *they* are ignorant.

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#resist

Openly stating your opinions AGAINST the intelligence community is not anything ANY president should do.

This is not an issue of left vs right.

A president should not give negative opinions of other federal agencies, especially intelligence agencies, publicly. Even if it's what they believe, you do not openly belittle them when you are the commander in chief.

This is an issue of security. National security. Whether or not their (the intel community) budget should be increased or decreased is a separate issue.

Do you want a president that is going to openly ignore a dangerous threat, just because the intel goes against their point of view??



Intel: "Mr. President. We have strong reason to believe Country X has just parked a battle ship with 22 warheads on it, just off the coast of State Y."

Trumpler: "Ah that's horse$hit. You guys are the same guys who said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction."



I don't wish for someone's closed-minded stubbornness to cost lives.

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Also, no one said the Russians elected him.

Sadly, the American people elected him. Even my man Joe Biden said: "it's over".

The Russians (allegedly) used propaganda and leaked hacked emails in an effort to sway public opinion in Trump's favor. The extent to which these actions affected the voters' opinions is up for debate, but in the end there was no voter machine tampering and Trumpler won the election.

I think now is the time to be asking "Why". What is up these leaders' sleeves?

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#resist

Push posted: "I was a member of the U.S. intel community for many years. I know what goes on inside SCIFs."

Obviously, he is not ignorant regarding specific knowledge.

Those attacking him regarding this belief of his: "the intel community needs to be downsized. (I could be very specific on removing wasted duplicate efforts.) the above,"

Are attacking from ignorance.

Because an anonymous person on a public forum claims specific knowledge, it is to be believed? Because detractors do not make such claims, their comments are from ignorance? What nonsense is this Clyde? You seem to assume that Guy's knowledge is pertinent (for all we know, his experiences may be decades old), and appear to suggest that unless others here support their comments with potentially bogus statements of authority, those comments can be dismissed.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

You start by calling the stupid... stupid.

Is a person that claims to be a computer science teacher and also claims chemical reactions take place in a functioning CPU "stupid"?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

No, but continuing to push this nation towards socialism/Marxism/communism even though we all know those types of ideas have failed time and time again throughout history... is stupid.

You could call it insane also.

The same applies to Trumps ideas of drip down.
Your problem is that you think liberalism is far left. When in fact US Liberalism is pretty much in the center, on a world perspective.

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No, but continuing to push this nation towards socialism/Marxism/communism even though we all know those types of ideas have failed time and time again throughout history... is stupid.

You could call it insane also.

The same applies to Trumps ideas of drip down.
Your problem is that you think liberalism is far left. When in fact US Liberalism is pretty much in the center, on a world perspective.

The World is wrong.

We... The people who have fled the Primitive Beliefs of The World. Beg to disagree.

The World has not yet learned this lesson: Those of The World, who believe in Authoritarianism and/or Superiority over The People, the Deplorable's, the Masses, etc., Be it Left Wing, Socialism, Marxism, Right Wing, Nazism, et al. Are the ones who need to be educated.

Remember this: The USA never, within the lifetime of people living. Chose either Marxism nor Nazism. Unlike those supposedly Educated and Sophisticated people of Europe.

You don't speak on behalf of all US citizens. You might believe the world is wrong, others might not. Please stop saying "we" when you mean "I".

In your haste to discount the views of Europeans and others of the world, you appear to miss the stains that are present in US history. When comparing the US to the people's of Europe, remember that unlike their US contemporaries, most of them did not vote for the apartheid that was segregation, or the racism that was anti-miscegenation. Also, Nazism was only successful at the German polling booth in the 1930, and Marxism was only successful in free and open elections in Greece (which briefly had a communist government after WWII). Most Europeans, when given the choice after the fall of the USSR, did not choose to retain Soviet-style communist governments.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Your problem is that you think liberalism is far left. When in fact US Liberalism is pretty much in the center, on a world perspective.

Well...

Technically, Liberal vs. Conservative does not refer to either 'left vs. right', or even 'authoritarian vs libertarian'. Liberal vs. Conservative has to do with the status quo. Conservative supports maintaining the status quo and Liberal supports trying something else.

Now then, what I think you meant to say is that in the US, 'far-left' is pretty much the center, on a world perspective. However, an equivalent statement to that is that on a US perspective, the rest of the world is pretty much 'far-left'.

Both statements are equivalent, and when one is discussing Politics in the USA, it only makes sense to use our frame of reference.

Remember, when discussing politics in most of Europe, what you might call 'centrist', many in the USA will call 'pinko commie-symp'.

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

No, but continuing to push this nation towards socialism/Marxism/communism even though we all know those types of ideas have failed time and time again throughout history... is stupid.

You could call it insane also.

If not "stupid", would you not agree the plainly wrong comment I referred to undermines claims of authority in subject areas that the author asserts expertise?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Your problem is that you think liberalism is far left. When in fact US Liberalism is pretty much in the center, on a world perspective.

Well...

Technically, Liberal vs. Conservative does not refer to either 'left vs. right', or even 'authoritarian vs libertarian'. Liberal vs. Conservative has to do with the status quo. Conservative supports maintaining the status quo and Liberal supports trying something else.

Now then, what I think you meant to say is that in the US, 'far-left' is pretty much the center, on a world perspective. However, an equivalent statement to that is that on a US perspective, the rest of the world is pretty much 'far-left'.

Both statements are equivalent, and when one is discussing Politics in the USA, it only makes sense to use our frame of reference.

Remember, when discussing politics in most of Europe, what you might call 'centrist', many in the USA will call 'pinko commie-symp'.

After seeing first hand the effects of far right Nazism and far left Soviet Communism, would you think the peoples of the former East Germany have a better idea of "extreme" than a US citizen that has seen neither first hand?

Technically you are correct about the ideologies liberal and conservative, though when these terms are taken up as names for political parties (as they are in the UK), alignment to a "status quo" may not be the primary platform.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

No, but continuing to push this nation towards socialism/Marxism/communism even though we all know those types of ideas have failed time and time again throughout history... is stupid.

You could call it insane also.

Are you familiar with the Romans? socialism/communism aren't the only systems that have failed. (and I do sooo hate that they are so willingly grouped together in discussions by the right, when they are very different things).

And, there are experiments in communism that continue to survive, and even thrive. And some other experiment that possibly could have survived or thrived if the world had been different.

So continue to live in that box folks. It will protect you and keep you all warm and fuzzy. Meanwhile your capitalist country is being hijacked by oligarchs and you sing and dance.

CONFORM!

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Your problem is that you think liberalism is far left. When in fact US Liberalism is pretty much in the center, on a world perspective.

Well...

Technically, Liberal vs. Conservative does not refer to either 'left vs. right', or even 'authoritarian vs libertarian'. Liberal vs. Conservative has to do with the status quo. Conservative supports maintaining the status quo and Liberal supports trying something else.

The problem is you forgot to tell people what status quo they wish to keep. Many conservatives wish to keep the status quo of the middle ages where the church is the state. Of course that is also trying something different than exists today. Also liberal's don't want to change things that are working.

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No, but continuing to push this nation towards socialism/Marxism/communism even though we all know those types of ideas have failed time and time again throughout history... is stupid.

You could call it insane also.

If not "stupid", would you not agree the plainly wrong comment I referred to undermines claims of authority in subject areas that the author asserts expertise?

Answer: no

(Keep in mind I may not be answering the question you intended to ask because it's a double negative question with your opinion of presidential subordination to a bureaucracy (embedded within) and assumed merits of a centralized authority. And the way you structured this question, it's ambiguous on what you're asking me if I don't agree.)

Fair enough. Removing any implicit entanglements with merits of centralized authority and/or presidential subordination to a bureaucracy.

Person X says I have authority in computer science and I say "chemical reactions take place in a functioning CPU while it is operating".

Person X also says I have authority in NY State Law and I say "NY State Law permits the cultivation of opium poppies".

If person Y, who also has some with expertise in computer science, can see that the first comment is plainly wrong, though person Y does not have expertise is NY State Law, do you think the first comment from person X undermines person Y's view on person X's ability to speak from authority on NY State Law?

Alternatively, do you believe there is nothing wrong with the comment "chemical reactions take place in a functioning CPU while it is operating", that it is person Y that has a misunderstanding, and person Y should accept person X's opinion in both cases?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...