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Message 1806881 - Posted: 3 Aug 2016, 21:48:21 UTC
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So we need to talk about Hillary. I've been watching the news and the debates and the conventions. I was impressed by what I saw at the democratic convention.

Hillary is definitely the establishment candidate, she also has a record of getting things done. Whether you agree or not with what she wants to get done, she is certainly competent enough to do it and unlikely to lead the U.S. down a path of destruction. If its change you want, you just have to hope that the Bernie Saunders campaign has pulled her far enough to the left.

The complaints levelled against her seem to be mostly fabricated by a panicked right wing. (read Benghazi etc which as far as I can tell was actually caused by the Republican house refusing to pass the necessary security asked for by Obama).

Other complaints target her choice of attire (sexism) her 'shrill' voice (sexism) and the fact she stood by her husband when he was philandering (sexism).

So the difficulty I am having figuring out Hilary is what complaints about her are because she is a woman and what are actually valid criticisms.

You see her resume and she really is, as her husband pointed out, the most qualified candidate ever. She has a solid history of actually getting involved in civil rights and issued that effect the poor. In many ways she is by the far the better candidate of the two.

So why do so many people hate her?

Sexism? Republican hysteria? or is there some actual real valid concern about her ability to lead the USA?
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Message 1806902 - Posted: 3 Aug 2016, 22:59:33 UTC

My "issues" with Hilary reside in my fears that she might end up a "hawkish" president and that she might be a president who is more of a fiscal conservative than I would want her to be.

She is an attorney, has served the nation as First Lady, has served as a senator and has served as secretary of state.

I will have no difficulty voting for her in November.
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Message 1806903 - Posted: 3 Aug 2016, 23:21:14 UTC - in response to Message 1806902.  

She is an attorney, has served the nation as First Lady, has served as a senator and has served as secretary of state.


Yes, I think she will be a very good President.
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Message 1806906 - Posted: 3 Aug 2016, 23:28:34 UTC - in response to Message 1806902.  

My "issues" with Hilary reside in my fears that she might end up a "hawkish" president and that she might be a president who is more of a fiscal conservative than I would want her to be.

She is an attorney, has served the nation as First Lady, has served as a senator and has served as secretary of state.

I will have no difficulty voting for her in November.


No, no, no! Dull taught me she's a non-hawkish, non-fiscal conservative, liberal/socialist/pink/commie!
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Message 1806911 - Posted: 3 Aug 2016, 23:52:43 UTC - in response to Message 1806908.  

You all are hallucinating.

Hillary is an unconvicted felon. The current administration is full of felons who support their fellow felons. Democrats don't believe in the rule of law. If she makes it to the white house, not only will she be the first women to be placed there, she will also be the first felon in the white house. She's going to continue what the current administration is doing: refuse to acknowledge islamic terrorism, argue about the right for men to pee in women's bathrooms, continue calling the destruction of human life/marketing of human body parts for sale as "women's right to health care," continue trying to take away the right for Americans to defend themselves, continue legalizing marijuana state by state to get more people drugged up, continue calling "checking ID cards" before voting "racial discrimination" so as many illegals can vote as many times as possible, and continue on down the path towards a currency reset.

The party of slavery is about to take control again and you all support it.

Clint Eastwood has some words of advise for the new generation. http://www.thewrap.com/clint-eastwood-donald-trump-racism/

Can't tell if you are serious or not...
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Message 1806921 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 0:31:46 UTC

No, no, no! Dull taught me she's a non-hawkish, non-fiscal conservative, liberal/socialist/pink/commie!

Awesome!!! Now I shall vote for her with bells on my toes!!!
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Message 1806923 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 0:45:15 UTC - in response to Message 1806918.  

As posted in the past. Started out believing I would be holding my nose, while voting for her. Now I will be vomiting.


So you're saying that even though you don't like Hillary, Trump is so bad, that you're going to vote for her?
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Message 1806924 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 0:47:48 UTC - in response to Message 1806908.  

she will also be the first felon in the white house

Sorry I remember Nixon, don't you?
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Message 1806927 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 1:03:22 UTC - in response to Message 1806918.  

Can't tell if you are serious or not...

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socialism kills is very serious.

As with Dangerous Donald. Many attacks against Hillary are valid. Some are not.

Hillary is an extremely flawed candidate. With repeated failures, and a history of 'Gaming the System' for her personal economic gain.

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Most attacks against Hillary that I have seen are not valid. I'd like someone here to post some actual concerns about her that are founded in reality.

All politicians game the system, its the way the system is set up. However, I am surprised that you find her so distasteful. She has a long history of doing actual work for the civil rights movement. She attempted (and sadly failed) to get a much needed single payer health system for the US.

All the accusations of illegal activity have been proved to be groundless and when she is fact checked she is found to be the far more honest candidate.

I really do wonder if this is another case of a women having to be better than the best to even be considered.

Tell me honestly. What has Hillary done that makes you want to vomit?
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Message 1806929 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 1:25:50 UTC - in response to Message 1806927.  


All the accusations of illegal activity have been proved to be groundless and when she is fact checked she is found to be the far more honest candidate.

ES since when have facts been relevant in politics?
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Message 1806939 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 2:41:17 UTC - in response to Message 1806908.  

You all are hallucinating.

Hillary is an unconvicted felon. The current administration is full of felons who support their fellow felons. Democrats don't believe in the rule of law. If she makes it to the white house, not only will she be the first women to be placed there, she will also be the first felon in the white house. She's going to continue what the current administration is doing: refuse to acknowledge islamic terrorism, argue about the right for men to pee in women's bathrooms, continue calling the destruction of human life/marketing of human body parts for sale as "women's right to health care," continue trying to take away the right for Americans to defend themselves, continue legalizing marijuana state by state to get more people drugged up, continue calling "checking ID cards" before voting "racial discrimination" so as many illegals can vote as many times as possible, and continue on down the path towards a currency reset.

The party of slavery is about to take control again and you all support it.

Clint Eastwood has some words of advise for the new generation. http://www.thewrap.com/clint-eastwood-donald-trump-racism/

SK, are you real or are you just a parody?
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Message 1806941 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 2:54:58 UTC - in response to Message 1806939.  

You all are hallucinating.

Hillary is an unconvicted felon. The current administration is full of felons who support their fellow felons. Democrats don't believe in the rule of law. If she makes it to the white house, not only will she be the first women to be placed there, she will also be the first felon in the white house. She's going to continue what the current administration is doing: refuse to acknowledge islamic terrorism, argue about the right for men to pee in women's bathrooms, continue calling the destruction of human life/marketing of human body parts for sale as "women's right to health care," continue trying to take away the right for Americans to defend themselves, continue legalizing marijuana state by state to get more people drugged up, continue calling "checking ID cards" before voting "racial discrimination" so as many illegals can vote as many times as possible, and continue on down the path towards a currency reset.

The party of slavery is about to take control again and you all support it.

Clint Eastwood has some words of advise for the new generation. http://www.thewrap.com/clint-eastwood-donald-trump-racism/

SK, are you real or are you just a parody?

G'day Guy, where have you been hiding?

Cheers.
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Message 1806945 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 3:37:43 UTC - in response to Message 1806881.  

Sexism? Republican hysteria? or is there some actual real valid concern about her ability to lead the USA?

The reason is because she is a woman.
Are women mistrusted in politics in other countries as well?
Oh dear. Yes.
Here many top female politicians have to leave because of silly mistakes.
Like buying chocolate bars and diapers with your government credit card.
Not to pay your fees for the TV that is mandatory here.
The list is long.
Does men do this silly mistakes?
Of course not...
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Message 1806951 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 3:54:00 UTC - in response to Message 1806908.  

she will also be the first felon in the white house

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Message 1806952 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 3:56:47 UTC - in response to Message 1806941.  

G'day Guy, where have you been hiding?

Cheers.

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Message 1806953 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 3:59:26 UTC - in response to Message 1806911.  

Can't tell if you are serious or not...

Unfortunately I believe he is DEADLY serious.
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Message 1807055 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 17:07:18 UTC - in response to Message 1807026.  

Tell me honestly. What has Hillary done that makes you want to vomit?

Es99...

She is a Total Fraud. As most politicians are.

In what way is she a fraud? What has she done?

Hillary, because of her gender, is no better.

What do you mean? How does her gender effect your judgement of her?
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Message 1807061 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 17:27:51 UTC - in response to Message 1807058.  

Tell me honestly. What has Hillary done that makes you want to vomit?

Es99...

She is a Total Fraud. As most politicians are.

In what way is she a fraud? What has she done?

Hillary, because of her gender, is no better.

What do you mean? How does her gender effect your judgement of her?

I'll answer the second. because my first answer as already been settled, after a very long investigation.

Gender...

Es99... You posted,

I really do wonder if this is another case of a women having to be better than the best to even be considered.

I just responded to your statement.

Es99...

Do you believe there is sexism regarding my despising This Politician?

Are you judging me negatively. Because I hold Women to the same standard as Men?

Its clear to me that you hold her to a far higher standard than Men. Your description of wanting to vomit at the thought of voting for what is essentially a well qualified, experienced candidate tells me that. Your acceptance of the right wing scaremongering and hysteria without question tells me that.

If you held her to the same standard you wouldn't find her such a bad candidate at all.
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Message 1807071 - Posted: 4 Aug 2016, 17:46:25 UTC - in response to Message 1807068.  


Es99...

Your beliefs regarding an individual, because of their gender (me). Is very disturbing.

If anyone said you are not supporting a man, because of his gender. What would you believe about that person?

As I said. Your responses are very disturbing.

I had forgotten how much you like to twist things and play stop-thief when someone calls you out.

Despite the evidence that Hillary is very likely to be a good president, you judge her has wanting. The fact that you have so easily swallowed the vitriol levelled against her (hence you wanting to vomit) suggests to me a double standard is in place as to the qualities you expect from a female vs the qualities from a male.

Feel free to prove me wrong by posting some actual, real, issues you have with her candidacy. Give examples. Otherwise I am going to assume the issue you have is with her gender.
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