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janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
-[ snip ]-Can someone explain why the Law was not changed ??-[ snip ]- Weird? First about a tyrannical government and 2nd Amendment. How likely in the western world is it that some government would become rogue enough to what essentially will become a civil war? I dont think you will see someone named Donald the Terrible or something even more terrible in a foreseeable future. But the 2nd Amendment cover that. Secondly personal protection. Right of self-defense US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defense_(United_States) In the U.S., the general rule is that "[a] person is privileged to use such force as reasonably appears necessary to defend him or herself against an apparent threat of unlawful and immediate violence from another. Right of self-defense Sweden. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defense_(Sweden) In Sweden, the law of self-defense (Swedish: nödvärn) allows a person attacked to excuse or justify a proportionate use of violence in defense of the person or property. But there is a BIG difference between to protect yourself and your family and to protect properity. You cannot justify using lethal weapons to defend property because thats not a proportionate use of violence. Not in the US nor in Sweden. However when there as an immidiate danger to life and health of you or your family, you could the same violence as the perpetrator. Now, where did you get the idea that in the UK the crime rate has skyrocketed because of a weapon "ban"? Thats not true when it comes to homocide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate Homocide rate per 100,000 population per year. Sweden 0.9 UK 1.0 US 3.9 As you can see Sweden and the UK have almost the same homicide rate now and I can assure you that homicide rate here has not skyrocketed that it would must have done here as well if you'r staement is true. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30734 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
They all have completely lost the plot if they are lost for words and have no powers of reason and instead have to resort to non-verbal childish schoolyard tantrums. Oh, yes, "childish schoolyard tantrums" perfect description of the Democratic party's the present sit-in protest. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19135 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
But are you in your property between the hours of 10am to 3pm? If not, then are you in your property between 6am to 6pm? If the answer is that for the majority of the time between 6am and 6pm you are not in your property, then the chances of you being able to confront a person committing a property crime are small. Most criminals are cowards and don't commit crimes at times when they are liable to be confronted. Therefore wouldn't it be better to spend more money on higher security and burglar alarms that can operate nearly all of the time, rather than a weapon which will probably never be used for its intended purpose. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
As I understand it, the right to bear arm is to protect you from tyrannical governments, not to protect you from some criminals. Yes I know. Thats why all countries revise their constitution time after time. For some reason, that is very hard to us outsider to understand, is that the 2nd Amendent hasn't been revised for so many years. Well, on the other hand, in our constitution it took a long time when women was included in it. I think we where the last country in the western word to let them vote! |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Well how about this by just adding five extra words? https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-five-extra-words-that-can-fix-the-second-amendment/2014/04/11/f8a19578-b8fa-11e3-96ae-f2c36d2b1245_story.html “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms when serving in the Militia shall not be infringed.†The five extra words highlighted |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Each of the Fifty Sovereign States have a different interpretation. Yes. Isn't that a problem that the US Constitution is interpreted differently between the states? And it makes me wonder why? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30734 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Each of the Fifty Sovereign States have a different interpretation. Brits and US can't agree on how to spell words or what they mean. Why are your surprised? Language evolves. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Each of the Fifty Sovereign States have a different interpretation. I'm not surprised at all. There are many revisions being done over time in our constitution that reformulate old text to more modern. Actually there are still words in it from the constitution written in about 1350 by Magnus Ladulås that nobody understand now. For instance the law concerning hobos, lösdrivare in swedish. At that time and a couple of hundred years they was called "lösker man". But not now:) btw. There are on an average 3 revisions of our constitution all together every day! But amendments take longer time to revise of course. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30734 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
No second amendment with gun control http://www.dw.com/en/shooting-in-german-cinema-several-injured/a-19350871 A heavily armed man who barricaded himself in a cinema in the German town of Viernheim has been shot dead. According to a German broadcaster, at least 25 people have been injured. And no first amendment either Local police have announced a press embargo. The truth won't be told. <ed>now reports are zero injured. How do you go from 25 injured to zero? A Press Embargo! |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
No second amendment with gun control No second amendment needed here. The man was shot dead by the German police. First amendment is our "holy" amendment here. Germany will give all information when things have settled down. Simple as that. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
The US Constitution is Not Law. Just the Foundation of Law. I see. Like a form that you only have to fill in the blanks:) |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30734 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
The US Constitution is Not Law. Just the Foundation of Law. Lists: These are the things you must do These are the things you may do These are the things you can not do This is how you will organize yourself to do these things These are the powers of each branch over things This is who may be in the organization This is how you join the organization Some is very specific, some is total fog. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
The US Constitution is Not Law. Just the Foundation of Law. I guess we outsiders have some problems to understand America (USA). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZfRaWAtBVg |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19135 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Report: Texas mom who shot, killed daughters had history of mental illness Please explain why people with history of mental health illness have not only access to guns but that authorities failed to remove gun(s) from a property where there have been "previous altercations". |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30734 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Report: Texas mom who shot, killed daughters had history of mental illness As explained millions of times the USA does not have mental health. As explained millions of times the USA has absolute patient privacy (HIPPA) so even if seeing a professional no one else is allowed to know it. Only if a court is used to force confinement against the patient's wishes is there a record. <ed>Once dead the privacy veil is gone so the press can report it. previous altercations = no conviction, presumed innocent until proven guilty. It isn't gun control laws we need, it is fixing the above non-gun laws so the gun laws on the books can be allowed to work that is the issue in the USA! |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19135 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
A gun law in the right direction. Hawaii becomes the first US state to place gun owners in a federal database A spokeswoman for the National Rifle Association’s (NRA) lobbying arm, the Institute for Legislative Action, told Reuters that the gun rights organisation found the measure “one of the most extreme bills we’ve ever seen.†|
Siran d'Vel'nahr Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7379 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238 |
A gun law in the right direction. Yeah right! Hawaii has become the first US state to place its gun owners on a federally managed database and monitor them for criminal activity. So now ALL law abiding gun owners are criminal suspects, in Hawaii. BULLSHIRT! What is it with you? Why don't you monitor your own state of affairs and leave us ALONE! You don't see any from the U.S. doing as you are with your country. Why do it with ours? What fraking concern is it to you? Does it harm you in any way, shape or form? No it does not. Give it a fraking rest already. Get over yourselves! CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19135 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
A gun law in the right direction. You are precisely one of the reasons I didn't stay in the US when I had the chance. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Over the top there aren't you? Considering that America's foreign policies affect the rest of the world, & let's not forget the greed of your corporations. |
Siran d'Vel'nahr Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 7379 Credit: 44,181,323 RAC: 238 |
-[ snip ]--[ snip ]--[ snip ]- Oh yeah? And just WHAT have I done to you personally to make you not want to stay? What have I done personally to ANYONE on your side of the planet? NOTHING!!! I did NOTHING to you or anyone else! So don't go laying blame on me for what you do or don't do in life. I have NOTHING to do with it. GET OVER YOURSELVES!!! CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr - L L & P _\\// Winders 11 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker "Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath |
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