English compromise ... "You will 'compromise' or we will force 'compromise' upon you".......

That one is, sadly, still all too true, and apparently the permanent mindset of our current Brexiteers.

And the mindset of our shutdown proponents

English compromise..............the countries in white have NOT been invaded by England at some point in history............
"You will 'compromise' or we will force 'compromise' upon you".......

Thanks for the illuminating map of Britain's conquests over time.
I notice that Sweden is one of the countries that never have been conquested by Britain.
Why is that? Could it be because that our King Erik XIV proposed to Elizabeth I in the 1500's?
No, guess not. She only got this portrait of him.

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English compromise ... "You will 'compromise' or we will force 'compromise' upon you".......

That one is, sadly, still all too true, and apparently the permanent mindset of our current Brexiteers.

And the mindset of our shutdown proponents

Interesting that you compare the position of your left wing liberals with the position of our patriots, isn't that illogical?

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We will have our Independence, we will not become a vassal state ruled from abroad, and we will be using the phrase 'No taxation without representation'

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We will have our Independence, we will not become a vassal state ruled from abroad, and we will be using the phrase 'No taxation without representation'

All the UK has my sincere support in that effort. May Brexit be the restoration of an England free again to make it's own decisions.

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Failed yet again

If you are referring to the mental health system you are correct..............

...........then again we could discuss the 'Drink Drive' laws of Ireland (or lack of...)?
Per capita FAR greater than American mass shootings........but the victims are just as dead.

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You sure about that?
2017 - 156 fatalities.
2018 - 150 fatalities.
NOW show just how many of those were due to drink driving.
Then show how it is greater than your number of fatalities by shooting.

You sure about that?
2017 - 156 fatalities.
2018 - 150 fatalities.
NOW show just how many of those were due to drink driving.
Then show how it is greater than your number of fatalities by shooting.

Population of Ireland 6,242,990 (source).
Fatalities per 1,000,000 = 156 / 6.242990 = 24.988.

In 2017 there were 437 fatalities arising from 346 mass shootings in the US (source) and the population of the US at the time was about 325.7 million, so he's right, there were more drink driving fatalities in Ireland per capita than there were mass shootings in the US.

It's the word "mass" that seems to be the issue here (how many mass drink driving incidents were there in Ireland?) - remove it and there were 15,652 fatalities in the US (excluding about 22,000 suicides), for about 48 fatalities per million population.

Seems to me that mass shootings get a disproportionate amount of news coverage, though when one such incident can result in over a third of all Ireland's drink driving fatalities (59 dead and 441 injured in the Vegas shooting), it may not be difficult to understand why that's the case (I'd guess it's similar to the reasons why passenger jet plan crashes make headlines around the world, though many car fatalities do not make even the local news).

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Comparing the US and European countries is not so easy.
Deadly voilence with firearms from 13 European countries.
Data from the last five years with statistics from the WHO.


Detonated handgrenads in Sweden.


Shooting lethal fatalities in Sweden.


Since there is about 31 times more people living in the US that would give 1364 beeing killed by firearms
In the US there was about 40,000 people beeing killed by firearms in 2017.

Should you have removed the firearms related suicides, when some of the DUI deaths would have only involved the driver?

You sure about that?
2017 - 156 fatalities.
2018 - 150 fatalities.
NOW show just how many of those were due to drink driving.
Then show how it is greater than your number of fatalities by shooting.

Population of Ireland 6,242,990 (source).
Fatalities per 1,000,000 = 156 / 6.242990 = 24.988.
... so he's right, there were more drink driving fatalities in Ireland per capita than there were mass shootings in the US

Still wrong!
The numbers provided by me were total RTA.s So WHAT % of those RTA's were due to drink driving? Until you know that, your figures are skewed.

WHAT I find really amazing is that there are those out there who argue the toss regarding "per capita". 150 dead from RTA's is bad enough, but to use 437 dead to argue a point...

Controversial or sensible?

IMV:
Sensible - SAA (Skill at Arms) & all that entails.
Controversial - A 3 year old?

Further controversy as seen often on these boards:

Now when you disrespect my country or 'culture' I feel I have every right to get nasty."

A 4-year-old found a loaded gun — and shot his pregnant mother in the face, police say

A 4-year-old boy accidentally shot his pregnant mother after finding a loaded handgun inside their suburban Seattle home, authorities said.

The woman, who is eight months pregnant, and her boyfriend were in bed watching TV on Saturday afternoon when the boy walked in, found the handgun and shot his mother in the face, said Sgt. Ryan Abbott, a spokesman for the King County Sheriff’s Office.

The weapon was placed between the bed mattress and the box spring, and the boy found it there, Abbott said. The mother was rushed to a hospital with life-threatening wounds, though she is now in stable condition.

Her boyfriend, who is also the boy’s father, is under investigation for not securing the gun, which he borrowed from a friend, and “putting somebody at risk,” Abbott said.

The accidental shooting happened just months after Washington state voters approved a controversial initiative that would, among other things, hold a person criminally liable if he or she fails to properly secure a gun that was then fired by someone who can’t legally use it, i.e., a child or a felon.

The accidental shooting happened just months after Washington state voters approved a controversial initiative that would, among other things, hold a person criminally liable if he or she fails to properly secure a gun that was then fired by someone who can’t legally use it, i.e., a child or a felon.

Hopefully the law will be enforced in this case. No excuse for lax behavior with firearms. He should be prosecuted.

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A police chief demands Congress act on guns: ‘Doing nothing is not acceptable’

Houston police chief Art Acevedo urged Congress to act on the issue of gun violence Wednesday, saying "our streets, our neighborhoods are truly drowning in the blood of our victims and in the tears of their loved ones.”

At a hearing of the House Judiciary Committee dedicated to gun policy, Acevedo declared, “Gun violence is arguably one of the greatest public health epidemics facing the nation everyone in this room loves and serves."

“Chiefs of police and sheriffs join the victims in asking you to act now to prevent one more death and bloodshed," he said.

Feb. 14 will mark the first anniversary of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting in Parkland, Fla., which claimed 17 lives and sparked a youth-led movement for gun control. Several young gun-control activists from the March For Our Lives movement attended the hearing. Democrats, who recently recaptured control of the House of Representatives, have made gun-control legislation a priority this session. In January, they unveiled H.B. 8, a bill aimed at strengthening background checks on gun sales and transfers, and it was discussed at Wednesday’s hearing.

In the past, Acevedo has been outspoken about his desire for increased gun-control measures. His congressional remarks came the week after four Houston police officers were shot and a fifth injured during a drug raid, after which Acevedo expressed “frustration” with lawmakers. “For whatever reason, they offer a lot of prayers ... We didn’t elect people to pray for us. We elect people to lead us; we elect people to make public policy decisions.”

“For whatever reason, they offer a lot of prayers ... We didn’t elect people to pray for us. We elect people to lead us; we elect people to make public policy decisions.”

They're too busy sucking up to lobbyists from the big corporations.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/02/06/customs-and-border-protection-officer-arrested/

A U.S. Customs and Border Protection supervisory officer from Santa Fe Springs is facing federal charges alleging that he engaged in the business of unlawfully selling firearms without a license, including an illegal short-barreled rifle purchased by an undercover investigator, it was announced Wednesday.

Wei Xu, 56, an officer at the Los Angeles and Long Beach Seaport, was taken into custody Tuesday and made his initial appearance this afternoon in federal court in downtown Los Angeles where he was not asked to enter a plea, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office.

The criminal complaint alleges that Xu sold or otherwise transferred at least 70 firearms through a federal firearms license dealer since 2014.

Court papers allege Xu exploited his status as a law enforcement officer to purchase and then transfer at least 14 “off-roster” handguns that cannot be sold to the general public.

Another school, another gun, predictable result ... hot lead flies and strikes human flesh
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/baltimore-school-shooting-frederick-douglass-high-school-today-2019-02-08-live-updates/

A 25-year-old gunman shot a staff member at a Baltimore high school on Friday, authorities said. The suspect was taken into custody and the school was placed on lockdown.

Police said a 56-year-old hall monitor confronted the gunman in the school's entrance. A confrontation ensued, and the gunman shot the older man. The victim is in serious but stable condition at a local hospital, police said.