To reduce suicides, look at guns

In 2014, 42,773 Americans killed themselves according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Half did so with guns. That’s not only more than the number of Americans who were killed in mass shootings, it’s more than the number of people who were killed with guns in homicides and accidents combined.

Fifty percent of Americans who commit suicide do so with a gun. In our hypothetical, we assume that figure is just 9 percent — the average level of those four other Western countries. We then assumed the remaining 41 percent would try to commit suicide by other methods, such as suffocation or poisoning. Because none of these methods is as lethal as a gun, fewer people would succeed at committing suicide than if they used firearms. Of course, in reality, it’s possible some people in this 41 percent would not attempt suicide otherwise; we assume they all do to keep our estimate conservative.

We calculate that the total suicide rate would decline by 20 to 38 percent, depending on the alternative methods used.

You just DON'T get it do you?

It doesn't matter if every gun in the galaxy was gone, those who want to kill themselves will find another way to do it. Sheeeees... Drop it already. It AIN'T gonna happen. Guns will always be available for those that want them for whatever reason they want it for. If they cannot get one, they will find other ways to attain whatever goal they want to.

Peace! :)

It is painfully obvious that the one not getting it is you.
Read the article and learn something rather that just posting your mistaken beliefs. Try using some facts if you disagree, and if you do have facts then go and argue them with the Washington Post.

Firearms are deadly and usually quick, especially when used as a suicide device. If they were not so available to these vulnerable people, then they would try one of the other methods, which is what suicidal people in virtually all other countries have to do. As these are not as immediate they more fail or are discovered before death occurs.

Uh-huh. Figures. I do not have to read the article. It is a bunch of liberal crap whether the "facts" are true or not. I am NOT a liberal and do not follow what liberals say.

As I said, you just don't get it. Ban guns and they will still be accessible for those that want to use them for ill. Ban guns and only law abiding citizens will follow the law. Criminals will NOT. Criminals and those that want to "end it all" will get a gun or use whatever means they can to achieve their goals.

Quit reading the liberal crap you find on the Internet!

Peace! :)

You're over reacting again, I didn't say ban guns, although that would be a good idea, I know how much Americans like the 2nd. But I do say put controls in place, or use the ones already in place, to restrict access to those who shouldn't have access because of mental health problems or because they have broken the law.

Yes in most parts buying them in Gun Stores is controlled,

No matter how, they are still getting guns anyway....

Usually they do a few burglaries and obtain all the weapons they need. The vast majority of guns used to commit crimes are stolen and traded from one criminal to another.

According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) only 10% to 15% of weapons used by criminals are stolen, most come from straw sales.

Yes in most parts buying them in Gun Stores is controlled,

No matter how, they are still getting guns anyway....

Usually they do a few burglaries and obtain all the weapons they need. The vast majority of guns used to commit crimes are stolen and traded from one criminal to another.

According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) only 10% to 15% of weapons used by criminals are stolen, most come from straw sales.

Interesting, but not actually correct. (Study it came from is over 20 years old and was for Southern California, taken immediately before strict gun control measures were to be imposed giving everyone notice to buy now.) ATF's own data refutes this. Their other database says it takes on average 10 years from the sale of a gun until it is used in a crime. Straw purchase doesn't wait 10 years.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/29/where-guns-used-in-crimes-come-from/

But used in a crime is a misnomer when it comes to the data. A gun may be "used in a crime" when a criminal possesses it but never points it at anyone. Not just when it is pointed at the bank teller "give me your money." Drug crooks have large numbers of guns, scores, but generally they don't use them as anything other than currency. Drugs for guns. Like sex for drugs.

When you ask street cops where the guns they encounter come from, it is nearly always a stolen gun, except for domestic violence.

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Some food for thought!

Orlando - Assault Weapon 50 dead

Nice - 1 truck 84 dead.

Some more food for thought.

Close call

"Two teenagers playing Pokemon Go late at night in their car in Florida were shot at by a householder who mistook them for burglars, police say.

The man said he shot at their car after they refused to stop when he challenged them on Saturday. They were not hurt."

As a householder who gave him the right to challenge? Hope the kids parents sue his ass off!

Some more food for thought.

Close call

"Two teenagers playing Pokemon Go late at night in their car in Florida were shot at by a householder who mistook them for burglars, police say.

The man said he shot at their car after they refused to stop when he challenged them on Saturday. They were not hurt."

As a householder who gave him the right to challenge? Hope the kids parents sue his ass off!

The Sovereign State of Florida does.

+1

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Some more food for thought.

Close call

"Two teenagers playing Pokemon Go late at night in their car in Florida were shot at by a householder who mistook them for burglars, police say.

The man said he shot at their car after they refused to stop when he challenged them on Saturday. They were not hurt."

As a householder who gave him the right to challenge? Hope the kids parents sue his ass off!

The Sovereign State of Florida does.

Good reply, so in that case, unless you're military or police, no one should have guns. Thanks for that. Confirms what all non-Americans have been saying :-)

Just breaking here.

3 police officers shot in Baton Rouge

Just breaking here.

3 police officers shot in Baton Rouge

http://www.wbrz.com/news/officers-shot-in-area-around-brpd-hq-sunday

Some more food for thought.

Close call

"Two teenagers playing Pokemon Go late at night in their car in Florida were shot at by a householder who mistook them for burglars, police say.

The man said he shot at their car after they refused to stop when he challenged them on Saturday. They were not hurt."

As a householder who gave him the right to challenge? Hope the kids parents sue his ass off!

The Sovereign State of Florida does.

Good reply, so in that case, unless you're military or police, no one should have guns. Thanks for that. Confirms what all non-Americans have been saying :-)

Yes, America has the death penalty.

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You all seemed to have missed one http://www.bakersfield.com/news/breaking-news/2016/07/16/fourteen-people-shot-outside-party-in-south-bakersfield.html

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And another "incident"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36820782


Three US police officers are shot dead in the city of Baton Rouge and several others injured

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Life is what you make of it :-)

When i'm good i'm very good , but when i'm bad i'm shi#eloads better ;-) In't I " buttercups " p.m.s.l at authoritie !!;-)

And another "incident"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36820782


Three US police officers are shot dead in the city of Baton Rouge and several others injured

Not again. :-(

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Not again. :-(

Too many years of racist policing in too many places. Unfortunately, it won't be the last.

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Too many years of racist policing in too many places. Unfortunately, it won't be the last.

Instead of pitchforks it is guns.

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Not again. :-(

Too many years of racist policing in too many places. Unfortunately, it won't be the last.

I would like to believe that it is a miniscule fraction of police that engage in what you are describing and that the overwhelming majority of the men in blue are outraged and ashamed of those actions.

And in any case, it does not excuse or rationalize the cold blooded killing of any man simply because they are wearing a uniform.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Not again. :-(

Too many years of racist policing in too many places. Unfortunately, it won't be the last.

I would like to believe that it is a miniscule fraction of police that engage in what you are describing and that the overwhelming majority of the men in blue are outraged and ashamed of those actions.

And in any case, it does not excuse or rationalize the cold blooded killing of any man simply because they are wearing a uniform.

North of the Mason Dixon line you are more likely correct than south of the Mason Dixon line. Far too many cases like this went unsolved because the local chief and mayor were charter members of the local Klavern. While the Klavern may be gone, the grand kids are in charge and the attitude hasn't changed.

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A teenager knocked on the wrong door. Now he’s dead, and the homeowner is accused of murder.

It was the simplest of mistakes with the steepest of consequences.

Two teenagers were drinking in Chicopee, Mass., Saturday afternoon when they set off to find a friend, according to authorities. Whether it was the booze or the sheer similarity of the neighborhood’s low-slung homes, the teens somehow ended up at the wrong house.

One of the teenagers, a 15-year-old boy, banged on the door.

Suddenly, a gunshot rang out from inside the house, and the boy slumped on the porch with a bullet to his belly.

The boy died at a hospital. He has not yet been identified.

The homeowner, 42-year-old Jeffrey Lovell, was arrested and charged with murder, according to the Chicopee Police Department.

Although Lovell’s arrest came quickly, the strange shooting has left residents and authorities searching for deeper answers.

If I said what I think, then there would be strident voices from the gun lobby. But I think you will work it out for yourself, if you have more than two brain cells.

If I said what I think, then there would be strident voices from the gun lobby. But I think you will work it out for yourself, if you have more than two brain cells.

Ah, Massachusetts, a liberal strong gun control state.

ed: Private sales must be background checked, ammunition sales checked, permit to own required ...

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A teenager knocked on the wrong door. Now he’s dead, and the homeowner is accused of murder.

It was the simplest of mistakes with the steepest of consequences.

Two teenagers were drinking in Chicopee, Mass., Saturday afternoon when they set off to find a friend, according to authorities. Whether it was the booze or the sheer similarity of the neighborhood’s low-slung homes, the teens somehow ended up at the wrong house.

One of the teenagers, a 15-year-old boy, banged on the door.

Suddenly, a gunshot rang out from inside the house, and the boy slumped on the porch with a bullet to his belly.

The boy died at a hospital. He has not yet been identified.

The homeowner, 42-year-old Jeffrey Lovell, was arrested and charged with murder, according to the Chicopee Police Department.

Although Lovell’s arrest came quickly, the strange shooting has left residents and authorities searching for deeper answers.

If I said what I think, then there would be strident voices from the gun lobby. But I think you will work it out for yourself, if you have more than two brain cells.

Yep! We law abiding citizens just cannot be trusted with our guns just because some idiot without the "two brain cells" you speak of could not figure out how to answer his door. He shoots at it instead.

He will be a felon and no longer have the privilege to legally own a gun. But hey, the rest of us cannot be trusted either. Take our privilege away as well.

Why don't you post the atrocities that happen in you own country? Oh, that's right, they only happen in the good ol' U.S.of A.

You must still be pissed that we stood up to tyranny a couple hundred years ago and won. ;) lol

Peace! :)

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