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 zoom3+1=4  Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65778 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 
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Yeah, who'd thought a 9' tall snowmen had a spine like a tree trunk. Vandal Owned by a snowman. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's 
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W-K 666  Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19094 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 
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Dr Who Fan  Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3232 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4
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Body odor? American Airlines kicks couple, infant from flight A Detroit couple and their infant daughter were kicked off an American Airlines flight from Miami this week. |
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tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 
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A French light plane with three people aboard while attempting to land on skis on the Rutor Glacier in Italy crashed against an Italian helicopter carrying skiers to the same glacier. The Heliski practice is forbidden in Switzerland and the skiers were all Swiss. Seven dead, plus two wounded, a French man who was the plane pilot instructor with two students actually piloting, and a Swiss skier. Landing on a glacier is only allowed to helicopters in Italy but the French do it frequently. Tullio |
Gary Charpentier     Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30691 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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A French light plane with three people aboard while attempting to land on skis on the Rutor Glacier in Italy crashed against an Italian helicopter carrying skiers to the same glacier. The Heliski practice is forbidden in Switzerland and the skiers were all Swiss. Seven dead, plus two wounded, a French man who was the plane pilot instructor with two students actually piloting, and a Swiss skier. Landing on a glacier is only allowed to helicopters in Italy but the French do it frequently. Sigh. Failure to see and avoid, root cause of too many accidents. Is there a CATF (Common Air Traffic Frequency) rule over there? e.g. "Rutor Glacier Traffic, helicptor ID landing Rutor Glaicer" "Rutor Glacier Traffic Skiplane ID landing Rutor Glacier" |
moomin  Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0 
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Of course there is several communication systems like the CATF here as well. But they doesn't work so well in mountainous regions like La Thuile. It could have been a pilot error or a communication error. I guess no one knows for now. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47004710 |
Sirius B  Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24881 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 
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BBC video - Drink-driver jailed after father and baby near missYep saw that one & posted it on social media. Did not go down too well. :-) For that offence under Sharia Law entails 80 lashes. Had issues with him in 2013 - He's literally 4 minutes away. Back then he had no seatbelt on & on his mobile. The stench of booze on his breath was unmistakable. :-( He got out of the way PDQ. His car, not my lorry. :-) |
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tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1
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They fly on Visual flight rules. Helicopters have rules about hours in which their are allowed to fly. The French pilot, wounded in an Aosta hospital, has been incriminated. |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30691 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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Of course there is several communication systems like the CATF here as well. Actually it doesn't have a problem in mountains for that kind of operation. If you aren't line of sight with the other airplane, then there is a mountain between you and you aren't going to hit each other before you hit the mountain. However if you are trying to talk to a ground station some miles away in the flat land, say to get a weather report, that is when there can be issues, same with radar, so that is why the weather must be VFR or better to operate. |
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tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1
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The weather was perfect. Time was about 16 PM. It was certainly a pilot error, done by a student. The teacher was in a back seat. |
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moomin Send message Joined: 21 Oct 17 Posts: 6204 Credit: 38,420 RAC: 0
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They fly on Visual flight rules. Helicopters have rules about hours in which their are allowed to fly. The French pilot, wounded in an Aosta hospital, has been incriminated.But it was two planes that collided. The helicopter was carrying six people -- the pilot, an alpine guide and four passengers who were heli-skiing. Three people were aboard the light aircraft, all of them pilots who were training in mountain flying. I'm not quite sure what a light aircraft is but it seem to me that there is two pilots in question. |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30691 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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The weather was perfect. Time was about 16 PM. It was certainly a pilot error, done by a student. The teacher was in a back seat. I suspect that it will come out that while it was instruction, the "students" in the front seats are fully licensed and the training was limited to operating on skis rather than wheels. There is a lot of that kind of training, such as night landings, float landings, ski landings, practice instrument conditions that fully licensed pilots get. I seriously doubt these "students" were learning how to fly. So at this point we have four sets of pilot eyeballs and four sets of pilot ears, four pilot mouths and they all failed to talk, hear, see and avoid. One thing that hasn't been said is what color was the helicopter painted? Snow white? That could go a very long way to an explanation. Look up whiteout. |
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tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1
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Maybe there was the Sun in the pilots' eyes. At high altitudes it can be blinding. Tullio |
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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19094 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67
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Like they think, just putting out a police warning is going to stop people slowing down when they see this as they are driving past.  Tregarth dragon sculpture prompts police road safety warning |
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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24881 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7
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The twin-engine plane came apart and caught fire mid-flight, witnesses told local media, before crashing in Yorba Linda, a suburb of Los Angeles.Fatal crash in L.A |
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Dr Who Fan Send message Joined: 8 Jan 01 Posts: 3232 Credit: 715,342 RAC: 4
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Pedestrian hit, killed by Amtrak train in Haltom City Witnesses and the train engineer said the man was not on the tracks, but was jogging close enough for the train to hit him, Haltom City Police Officer Eric Peters said |
Wiggo  Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34918 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 
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Pedestrian hit, killed by Amtrak train in Haltom CityHe was probably wired for sound. :-O Cheers. |
HAL  Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 535 Credit: 8,246,955 RAC: 3
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Three crew die in Canadian Pacific derailment
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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19094 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67
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rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22227 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380
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Danger - low flying trees (oops - this isn't the captions thread) glad nobody has been hurt, although the driver must need a new set of underwear Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
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