If you put 'Class' in the equation?
Just an anecdotal experience.
For two years, while on Unformed Patrol. My Sector (Vehicle Patrol), included three separate and distinct Black Neighborhoods.
Starting from the South and going North:
Poor Black. Very high violent street crime. Also included 'Store Front' for the Black Panther's. Many, many, many arrests. Including Violent Confrontations with Police.
Separated by a wide street:
Lower Middle Class, Middle Class Black. Very little violent Street Crime, excepting those entering from The South. Most arrests of those living there, were for Domestic, Drunk Driving, etc. Very little violent confrontations with police.
Separated by a wide street:
Upper Middle Class and Wealthy Black. Only Police Response were from 911 calls reporting a crime. Interestingly... They would refer to Black criminals as the KKK would (guess which word).

The Black neighborhoods, reminded me of similar White neighborhoods.

If you are making the point that poverty and crime are linked, I don't think anyone would argue with you.

If we are using anecdotal evidence I overheard two business men on the train who worked in insurance complaining about how rising unemployment was affecting the crime rate.

However, recent police taken down of a black tennis star does suggest that its more than just class.

Black Tennis Star Tackled By 5 White Police Officers

James Blake doesnt look black to me:)
Anyway.
It looks to me that the US have a lot of segregation.
White people afraid of going to black neighborhoods.
Black people afraid of going to white neighborhoods.

And here...
A suspected gunman forcing a U2 concert to cancel in Stockholm on Sunday night has been identified as a police officer, Swedish media are reporting.

RCMP not kidding about bringing chips, salsa to Sask. party

Shocking.

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RCMP not kidding about bringing chips, salsa to Sask. party

Shocking.

Hehehe.
Saskatchewan RCMP
Thanks for the invite to the underage frosh party in the #Lumsden area on Saturday night.

Lumsden #RCMP will bring chips and salsa and a choice of possible charges for the party goers, including:

• Open liquor - $250
• Underage drinking - $360
• Littering – $250
• Providing liquor to a minor - $1050

In our country the police do this as well.
And the fire brigade.

Police officers render aid and assistance to injured man.

The races of those involved weren't immediately known.

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Police officers render aid and assistance to injured man.

The races of those involved weren't immediately known.

Attempted suicide is a capital offence?

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Police officers render aid and assistance to injured man.

The races of those involved weren't immediately known.

There is about 32 times more people living in the US then in my country.
Bad cops are everywhere and shit happens.
Media like "bad news" and we readers get a wrong impression.
The US is not 32 times worse than Sweden.

And yes. We can read these stories about Swedish cops as well!

The US is not 32 times worse than Sweden.

That is because most of us don't eat lutefisk.

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The US is not 32 times worse than Sweden.

That is because most of us don't eat lutefisk.

ROTFLMAO

The US is not 32 times worse than Sweden.

That is because most of us don't eat lutefisk.

ROTFLMAO

Hehehe.
Maybe we should give criminals fermented herring as breakfast...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uFjZUVp6QA

Dont try this at home:)

Thanks for this link on the safety of policing.

Something seems off about point 3 though. Only 3% of officers were killed by Hispanics, mixed, Native Americans or Asians combined even though those groups make up 24% of the population?
Non-Hispanic whites are 63% of the U.S. population, blacks 13%, Hispanics 17% and others 7%. The raw data is somewhere on this page but I didn't find it to confirm the data of the article.

If all things were equal we'd expect police to have been killed 63% of the time by non-Hispanic whites and 13% by blacks so the 46% of police officers killed by blacks is more than 3x expectations.
Some of this can be attributed to the hyper-focus of police attention on the black community, some on the violence being taught to certain black citizens as high numbers get their finishing education from the prison system while another part of it can be attributed to anti-social and borderline personalities developed from poverty conditions.

People will use their biases to argue for their reasons for the higher than normal expected deaths of police by black citizens and there's doesn't seem to be a way to develop an experiment to determine what the cause is.

From personal experience, I'd put the number of anti-social and Borderline personalities (and their propensity to acting out and living on the edge) being developed in the ghetto neighborhoods mixing with police who focus way too much on black citizens as the best combination to explain what's happening.

/begin rant
We need a massive increase in mental health screening and treatment in the U.S. Policing in itself has been shown to increase psychopathic behaviors in the police and prison guards and so they need to be screened monthly for increases in their psychopathic profile. Policing is one of the top ten most preferred professions of the 3% of sociopaths/psychopaths that make up any human population.
Poverty and lack of stable parenting creates a much higher chance to raise a borderline or anti-social personality and the health care systems, plus the culture against accepting mental illness in our local black neighborhoods, mean that effective treatments, such as DBT, don't get to who needs them before their lives are destroyed by felony convictions, loss of education, or drug addictions.

I'm tired of hearing my neighbors in Jennings/Ferguson saying that 'They need Jesus' as the solution to everything. Our DBT counselor at the Keinlen clinic left because she wasn't getting used. We've got signs up all over the place saying 'We need to stop killing each other' but no solutions are offered on how to stop the killing.
I know I'm damn tired of police searching young people who just walk by with grocery bags or hog-tying kids after they get into a fist fight after school. Kids get into fights after school sometimes. It always happened before and there's no reason why black kids should be introduced into the justice system at 14 because they settled things with fists.
30 years ago the kids would be dragged home to their parents or taken to the school gym and fitted with boxing gloves, pushed into the Boy Scouts or a sports team. Now these police, who don't live here, who have no children in the school system, who don't hang out at the local tavern after work, act like an occupying army that doesn't give a damn about the residents because these police are not a part of the tribe that makes up the neighborhood. It's not just white racism, it's police tribalism that pits them against the local tribe. Police need to live in the neighborhoods where they work with few exceptions so they feel like a part of the local group.[url][/url][url][/url]

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Another case of bad policing? Surprisingly it's not America.

Parramatta Australia

"The jihadi managed to walk into the police lobby unchallenged despite the elevated terror alert in light of recent chatter targeting that police station."

Strict gun control in Australia? Then where did a 15 year old get that weapon?

Another case of bad policing? Surprisingly it's not America.

Parramatta Australia

"The jihadi managed to walk into the police lobby unchallenged despite the elevated terror alert in light of recent chatter targeting that police station."

Strict gun control in Australia? Then where did a 15 year old get that weapon?

OMG.

Muslim Farhad Jabar Khalil Mohammed was dancing joyously and shouting “allahu akbar” as he murdered police employee Curtis Cheng, who was leaving police headquarters. Cheng was executed at point blank range in Sydney West Australia.

“allahu akbar” means "God is greater" or OMG!
Nothing else!!!!!!!!

Don't know who Curtis Cheng is.
May he rest in piece inshallah...

There was a BIG party here.
I don't know if it was Eid el-adha or Ashura.
Whatever. They had fun and our dog Tosca was there:)

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/10/cop-fired-after-recording-himself-repeatedly-tasering-unarmed-suspect/

David Kravits @ ArsTechnica wrote:

A Florida cop has been fired for repeatedly using an electroshock weapon on a shoplifting suspect who was inside a residence with hands raised. The officer's police report said the suspect "refused to show his hands," according to local media.

Police authorities in Zephyrhills, Florida announced the firing of 10-year veteran officer Tim Claussen on Friday. The footage of Claussen tasering Lester Brown, who complained of shoulder aches and dizziness after he was arrested, was captured on the video camera attached to the officer's Taser.

"Come outside now, or you're about to get tased," Claussen said on the video. "This is the last time." Suddenly, Brown is shocked, and shortly afterward he's seen falling to the ground in the footage. According to the city attorney's office, "the deployment of the Taser was unjustified."

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/10/cop-fired-after-recording-himself-repeatedly-tasering-unarmed-suspect/

David Kravits @ ArsTechnica wrote:

A Florida cop has been fired for repeatedly using an electroshock weapon on a shoplifting suspect who was inside a residence with hands raised. The officer's police report said the suspect "refused to show his hands," according to local media.

Police authorities in Zephyrhills, Florida announced the firing of 10-year veteran officer Tim Claussen on Friday. The footage of Claussen tasering Lester Brown, who complained of shoulder aches and dizziness after he was arrested, was captured on the video camera attached to the officer's Taser.

"Come outside now, or you're about to get tased," Claussen said on the video. "This is the last time." Suddenly, Brown is shocked, and shortly afterward he's seen falling to the ground in the footage. According to the city attorney's office, "the deployment of the Taser was unjustified."

Camera attached to every gun and taser that automatically fires up when pulled.
I'm all behind that tech! What percentage of tasers have that now?

This behavior is easily explained when you understand the evidence that likely 8-12% of police are psychopaths.

All in all, can you imagine how unfair it was to deal with police 100 years ago with no cameras or internet? It casts so much doubt over much of what is written in history books.

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Guess Who? Again!
http://abc7.com/news/woman-punched-by-chp-officer-detained-on-10-freeway/1021137/

The mentally-ill woman who received a $1.5 million settlement after cellphone video captured her being punched repeatedly by a California Highway Patrol officer alongside a Los Angeles freeway was detained Tuesday, not too far from where she was beaten in 2014.

Marlene Pinnock was spotted on the right shoulder of the La Brea Avenue on-ramp to the eastbound 10 Freeway in the Mid-City area at about 2:26 p.m. Tuesday, CHP said.

Two officers detained Pinnock and transported her to Los Angeles County-USC Medical Center for a mental health evaluation.

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South Carolina City To Pay $6.5 Million Settlement For Fatally Shooting Walter ...

Remember this case?

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http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/10/cop-fired-after-recording-himself-repeatedly-tasering-unarmed-suspect/

David Kravits @ ArsTechnica wrote:

A Florida cop has been fired for repeatedly using an electroshock weapon on a shoplifting suspect who was inside a residence with hands raised. The officer's police report said the suspect "refused to show his hands," according to local media.

Police authorities in Zephyrhills, Florida announced the firing of 10-year veteran officer Tim Claussen on Friday. The footage of Claussen tasering Lester Brown, who complained of shoulder aches and dizziness after he was arrested, was captured on the video camera attached to the officer's Taser.

"Come outside now, or you're about to get tased," Claussen said on the video. "This is the last time." Suddenly, Brown is shocked, and shortly afterward he's seen falling to the ground in the footage. According to the city attorney's office, "the deployment of the Taser was unjustified."

Camera attached to every gun and taser that automatically fires up when pulled.
I'm all behind that tech! What percentage of tasers have that now?

This behavior is easily explained when you understand the evidence that likely 8-12% of police are psychopaths.

All in all, can you imagine how unfair it was to deal with police 100 years ago with no cameras or internet? It casts so much doubt over much of what is written in history books.

Attribution?

All of the thousands of Independent Police Agencies. With different recruiting and training Standards.

Some with Elected Sheriffs. Some with Appointed...

Does the 8-12% refer to all? If not... Which?

It's not highly studied area, so if you meet a police officer you can expect a 1 in 10 chance they are a functional psychopath until better mental health screenings across police districts is performed.

BTW: Most Police are FOR Body Cams.

It will protect them against False Allegations and place more criminals in jail.

And MOST Importantly. Put most Criminal Defense Attorney's out of business.

For a specific style of body cam. The ones that buffer 30 seconds of video and only saves a record when the officer pushes the button. This way they can let incriminating records disappear by not pushing the record button. The cam that saves a record when a gun or taser is pulled is not popular with St Louis and St Louis County police unions.

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It's not highly studied area, so if you meet a police officer you can expect a 1 in 10 chance they are a functional psychopath until better mental health screenings across police districts is performed.

BTW: Most Police are FOR Body Cams.

It will protect them against False Allegations and place more criminals in jail.

And MOST Importantly. Put most Criminal Defense Attorney's out of business.

For a specific style of body cam. The ones that buffer 30 seconds of video and only saves a record when the officer pushes the button. This way they can let incriminating records disappear by not pushing the record button. The cam that saves a record when a gun or taser is pulled is not popular with St Louis and St Louis County police unions.

Marmot...

You are true to 'Type'. Thank you for 'Outing' yourself.

Your were easier than most of your 'type'.

Can I get a better opponent. With an appreciation of Intellectual Discussions?

What 'type' is that?
A highly intelligent, college educated and rational human being with empathy?

Your 2nd comment was a personal attack which you claim is the last resort of those losing a debate.

Back to the Subject:

Despite the above silly assertion that the Police wish to have, what 'Uninteresting' stated above, 'Limited Recordings'. The Police do wish for 24/7 Cams.

To protect themselves from false assumptions (as Uninteresting continuously exhibits), and outright lying from Rapists, Murderers, Robbers, etc.

To believe otherwise. Is to expose the believer's ignorance regarding Police.

Several police unions in large cities are (or have) attempting to block body cameras:
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article1981217.html
http://www.policeone.com/police-products/body-cameras/articles/7921491-Boston-brass-police-union-fear-body-cams-on-cops/
Police Executive Research Firm http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/15/officers-body-cameras-raise-privacy-concerns/
Police are worried about losing their jobs if they get caught saying something bad about a superior while the cam is on and their own privacy and other lack of guidelines. http://www.npr.org/2011/11/07/142016109/smile-youre-on-cop-camera

It would be nice if you provide some evidence for your assertions as many police have quite loudly said they do not want the hassle and risk to their careers of wearing a body camera.

As for dubbing me 'Uninteresting' for a nickname, that also counts as a personal attack and a sign you are losing a debate.

I wonder what others about here call you privately?

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Another Hijacking.

What do we do with marmot?

marmot...

Please be brief when hijacking a thread.

It would be appreciated.

You are approaching a new low - even for you, Sir. That people are still willing to engage with you is either a miracle or an act of charity.

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We have nothing to fear but fear itself. Apart from pain. And maybe humiliation. And obviously death. And failure. But apart from fear, pain and humiliation, failure and the unknown and death - we have nothing to fear. Who’s with me?

Blue Code #6
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/former-la-deputy-arrested-333460571.html

In a case stemming from the beating of a handcuffed man at Men's Central Jail, a sixth former member of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department was indicted today on federal charges for allegedly participating in the cover-up of the incident.

Byron Dredd, 33, no longer with the department, was named in a three-count indictment charging him with conspiracy to violate Gabriel Carrillo's civil rights and two counts of making false reports, according to the U.S. Attorney's Office.

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