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The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
Various estimates put the cost of the Monarchy to the UK at around the 50p/person mark. In the grand scheme of taxes, that really doesn't register. Having a presidency instead (which many republicans advocate) would cost far more, in security at least. The royal family don't need huge amounts of security because the public are at worst ambivalent to them, whereas a portion of the populus would develop a hatred for a president. Case in point, i met Princess Anne a few years ago, she presented me with my Queen's Scout award, a vicarious experience for her i expect. At the (public) ceremony and subsequent (semi-private) dinner she had two bodyguards present, and left in a single car (Jaguar XJ12, memory serves). No police escort, bullet proof screens, helicopters, or anything else that one might expect a president to require. Vivat stirpem regiam! Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
celttooth Send message Joined: 21 Nov 99 Posts: 26503 Credit: 28,583,098 RAC: 0 |
Vivat stirpem regiam Ditto! |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
Well perhaps American Presidents are more badly thought of than the British Monarchy and consider themselves at more risk of attack?? My point exactly. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Well perhaps American Presidents are more badly thought of than the British Monarchy and consider themselves at more risk of attack?? Perhaps it is because they have power and British Monarchy is window dressing? |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Well perhaps American Presidents are more badly thought of than the British Monarchy and consider themselves at more risk of attack?? All monarchs in Europe are window dressing. The tabloid press and their readers loves them. The rest of us love to make fun of them. And the monarchs kind of like it. Only in Europe:) |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
The Queen is nominally in charge of parliament and the government, in practice though she does not intervene; at least, not in a way that we know about. I believe the official line is that she 'advises', and with 63 years experience, she seems ideally placed for the role. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
And that's good, because it gives us as a nation an anchor of stability, rather than lurching from one political philosophy to another with successive governments. Same goes for the House of Lords, paradigm shifts of governance often don't end well, so with the House of Lords acting as moderators for the House of Commons, things keep ticking by quite nicely. Obviously it's not perfect, no system is, but Britain seems to be doing reasonably well on it. I believe it also helps reduce corruption, in other countries governments offer bribes and favourable legislation, whereas in Britain we just give someone an Ermin gown and an archaic title and they're happy. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
The answer is simple witch system has had the most Dictators and Emperors that have caused trouble for there nabours mmmmmm Napoleon Bonaparte dictator , Emperor , war monger Hitler Antichrist Idi Amin total nutcase It's always been easer for a dictator or Emperor to come to power as a president first than under a monarchy And I'm shore I can make the list much , much , longer |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
The answer is simple witch system has had the most Dictators and Emperors that have caused trouble for there nabours Oh please... General Napoleon Bonaparte: Military coup (18 Brumaire -- Nov. 9, 1799). Hitler: Political coup (elected/appointed Chancellor, then coup). General Idi Amin: Military coup (Jan. 1971). So, of the three examples you gave, only one was an elected politician (Hitler). The other two (Napoleon and Idi Amin) were military Generals prior to assuming dictatorial powers. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Major, thank for pointing out that Clyde is 2/3 wrong on facts. I don't know of any teacher that could grade that paper as anything but failing. Not even a rookie could mark it as good as D-! |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
hahahahahaha Kong !! they come from country's that have the Republicam system or made the Republican system that other have followed , Don't count Rome or Athens even if that was where the idea started from Long live the Monarchy and bugger off you Republicans I like my Country just the way it is thanks |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
I'll take that as a compilment , thanks I'm in good company then :) |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
The answer is simple witch system has had the most Dictators and Emperors that have caused trouble for there nabours On May 18, 1804 proclaimed the Senate and the General Court Napoleon I to 'Emperor of the French, "and a referendum approved the empire. The crown also became hereditary within the family Bonaparte. On December 2, 1804, he crowned himself in a sumptuous ceremony in Notre Dame cathedral to the French emperor while he crowned also his wife, Joséphine de Beauharnais. |
Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
Technically GB is a constitutional monarchy nothing like the kingdoms of old when a king or queen had absolute power. Personally I have no problem with the system as it exists today. I just wonder when they will realise the error of their ways and start driving on the right side of the road :) Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
I just wonder when they will realise the error of their ways and start driving on the right side of the road :) We in Sweden drove on the wrong side as well until 1967. I think the story is that it is from horseriding and if you met an other rider you could salute each other with the right hand. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
We in Sweden drove on the wrong side as well until 1967. No. That must be a myth:) I remember that day. H day ("The right-hand traffic diversion") https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQtKHv6GRHA On Dagen H, Sunday, 3 September, all non-essential traffic was banned from the roads from 01:00 to 06:00. Any vehicles on the roads during that time had to follow special rules. All vehicles had to come to a complete stop at 04:50, then carefully change to the right-hand side of the road and stop again before being allowed to proceed at 05:00. In Stockholm and Malmö, however, the ban was longer — from 10:00 on Saturday until 15:00 on Sunday — to allow work crews to reconfigure intersections.[3] Certain other towns also saw an extended ban, from 15:00 on Saturday until 15:00 on Sunday. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagen_H#The_switch |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
The answer is simple witch system has had the most Dictators and Emperors that have caused trouble for there nabours Aside from the errors already pointed out, an Emperor is a monarch, Britain had one once, Victoria was an Empress , Napoleon I returned France to a monarchical system, with his being the royal family. You could also add Soviet communism to your list, as it replaced, oh dear, a monarchy. Franco replaced a monarchy, Iran before the Ayatollah was a monarchy. Cambodia before the Khmer Rouge? Another monarchy. Libya before Gaddafi? Yet another monarchy. Still sure republics are much more susceptible to being replaced by dictatorships? BTW, I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19063 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Technically GB is a constitutional monarchy nothing like the kingdoms of old when a king or queen had absolute power. Personally I have no problem with the system as it exists today. I just wonder when they will realise the error of their ways and start driving on the right side of the road :) Beg your pardon, but we drive on the correct side of the road. In days of old how would you have saluted or handled weapons when your right hand is in the center of the vehicle. Your right arm needs to be able to be outside of the vehicle. Does seem strange to me, that the USA a country that loves its guns so much, they disadvantage themselves by driving on the wrong side of the road. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
The answer is simple witch system has had the most Dictators and Emperors that have caused trouble for there nabours Saudi Arabia is also a monarchy. Legal security flaws and the absence of codified law gives unpredictability. Courts of individual interpretation of sharia, Islamic law, characterizes the verdicts. Religious freedom does not exist. Political parties and trade unions are not allowed and there is no right to strike. The labor situation of many migrant workers still reported to be deficient. Women remain discriminated against and are under male guardianship. In some issues related to human rights are, however, some internal debate. |
Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
I think that that the USA and most every other country that was not a part of the Commonwealth drive on the right side of the road as that is the way ships in a narrow passage approach each other, even British ships. Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
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