Major 50 yers ago when I was a young lad attending a state university tuition covered 30% of the cost the state paid for the rest thru taxes. Now the state pays 30% and the students pay for the rest. This obviously has resulted in great student debt upon graduation. This has been a national trend and is having large changes on our economy.
The point I wish to make is we don't want to pay for what most all agree for what is needed. When I want to purchase something I plan out the cash flow needed and go for it. The anti tax people say we don't need it and all to often get their way. The infrastructure has not kept up with the population growth.
These are facts and I sit back and shake my head.

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Looking at my latest property tax paperwork, the school district has a tax rate of 1.476730% of the appraised value of my property... per year.

Wow, that's double mine. Here in Kentucky, mine is only .71, but I don't think Trump can or is going to change that.

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

Looking at my latest property tax paperwork, the school district has a tax rate of 1.476730% of the appraised value of my property... per year.

Wow, that's double mine. Here in Kentucky, mine is only .71, but I don't think Trump can or is going to change that.

He can't... At least not here in Texas, I am not familiar with the way Kentucky has things structured.

Property tax is a LOCAL tax here in Texas. County, City, School District (PK-12), and occasionally other local districts such as local community colleges each have their own rate.

Property taxes are NOT under Federal Control, at least not here in Texas. The head of the Federal Bureaucracy (aka The President) has diddly-squat to do with it.

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WinterKnight...
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Well as you seem to quite often get confused has to who posted what
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WinterKnight...


Incorrect. Not confused. You did not understand.
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CLYDE, why do you insist on addressing Bernie as WinterKnight? Do you believe the same poster has 2 accounts?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

CLYDE, why do you insist on addressing Bernie as WinterKnight? Do you believe the same poster has 2 accounts?

That just Clyde being, well, Clyde.

Still awaiting your answer. In any thread.

It also looks like Clyde can't use the advanced search facility either, but unlike Clyde I don't like sounding like a broken record repeating myself continually.

Cheers.

Please let's keep the posts directed toward the topic of the thread. If you have a disagreement with a person's post, it's welcomed to address that, but attacking the person is not.

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The mind is a weird and mysterious place

Major 50 yers ago when I was a young lad attending a state university tuition covered 30% of the cost the state paid for the rest thru taxes. Now the state pays 30% and the students pay for the rest. This obviously has resulted in great student debt upon graduation. This has been a national trend and is having large changes on our economy.
The point I wish to make is we don't want to pay for what most all agree for what is needed. When I want to purchase something I plan out the cash flow needed and go for it. The anti tax people say we don't need it and all to often get their way. The infrastructure has not kept up with the population growth.
These are facts and I sit back and shake my head.

betreger,

It IS kinda difficult to 'keep up with infrastructure' when the Federal Government coffers are being sucked dry by an ever-increasing amount of social programs (That even Glenn says some of them are overly generous) that accomplish nothing but keeping the people dependent on them in order to continue to be bribed into continuing to vote for the 'elites' that have started them.

Re: your example of university tutition and great student debt. The *REASON* that so many graduate deeply in debt is... Government financial aid, specifically Federal Government financial aid. The Social Program designed to help students (or so it is claimed) afford university educations is having the opposite effect.

You say

When I want to purchase something I plan out the cash flow needed and go for it.

That is all well and good. Personal responsibility.

Then you say

The anti tax people say we don't need it and all to often get their way.

It isn't that the 'anti-tax' people say we don't need it. What they DO say is that Government should not be involved in it, especially if they need to jack up taxes on an already heavily-taxed taxpayer to do it.

Remember there is a limit to how much tax can be extracted from an economy without doing severe damage to it. And we, in the USA, are already somewhat beyond that point.

Now then... Trump. Trump is tapping into an angry undercurrent rippling through the nation. He is gathering support (same as O'bummer did) to 'do something about it. If he winds up being elected, either he will be unwilling or unable to do anything about it. The People in the USA are being lied to by those in power. Lied to bigtime. We are perhaps past the time when we could fix things at the ballot box. Its time for 'When in the course of human events...'.

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Remember there is a limit to how much tax can be extracted from an economy without doing severe damage to it. And we, in the USA, are already somewhat beyond that point.
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Hauser's Law ("Federal tax revenues since World War II have always been approximately equal to 19.5% of GDP"), suggests that this is not the case, and Bill Gates has argued that higher marginal taxes do not necessarily inhibit growth.

One wonders how other OECD nations manage to sustain a higher tax burden than the US, if, as you say, the USA is beyond the point of "maximum extraction of tax funds from the economy". Note, this is not an advocacy of a higher tax burden in the US, just that the idea of "severe damage" is at odds with, for instance, the German experience.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Bobby facts are not relevant in this discussion, Major has his beliefs.

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Re: your example of university tutition and great student debt. The *REASON* that so many graduate deeply in debt is... Government financial aid, specifically Federal Government financial aid. The Social Program designed to help students (or so it is claimed) afford university educations is having the opposite effect.

I call BS, the states are spending less per university student than they were 30 years ago.

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I call BS, the states are spending less per university student than they were 30 years ago.

That's probably right--The reasons being.

Massive Tuition increases
Courting more out of state student who pay higher tuition
Available Federal Loans
Lottery-based scholarships.

I went to The Citadel in South Carolina--it's a sin the amount of State Funding that it receives from South Carolina

Re: your example of university tutition and great student debt. The *REASON* that so many graduate deeply in debt is... Government financial aid, specifically Federal Government financial aid. The Social Program designed to help students (or so it is claimed) afford university educations is having the opposite effect.

I call BS, the states are spending less per university student than they were 30 years ago.

When I graduated high school tuition and fees at the University of California was $630/year
Today that is about $14,000.
That is a bit more than the rate of inflation.

http://www.dailycal.org/2014/12/22/history-uc-tuition-since-1868/
http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2012/07/18/csu-and-uc-tuition-hikes-over-time

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When I graduated high school tuition and fees at the University of California was $630/year
Today that is about $14,000.
That is a bit more than the rate of inflation.

If you increase Government Subsidies, easy Student Loans, etc.

The Universities just increase tuition. After all, The Universities do not have to payback exorbitant Student Loans.

Debase yourself of your myth [1]
http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/report/R_512HJR.pdf
Government subsidies decrease and tuition increases.

[1]a/k/a simpleton right wing thinking.

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An intended consequence of government defunding of higher education is the increase of student loans which became a new revenue stream for the banksters.
The economic serfdom this has created has become a new weapon in class warfare.

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An intended consequence of government defunding of higher education is the increase of student loans which became a new revenue stream for the banksters.

You have that backwards. It was the easy availability of Federally-guaranteed student loans that allowed the states to drop much of their funding of public universities within their borders.

The economic serfdom this has created has become a new weapon in class warfare.

You have 'economic serfdom' correct. It is the end result of both the policies of the left and the policies of the right. Clyde is correct when he says that both the left and the right are bad...

The only difference in the end result of leftism and rightism is who winds up 'owning' you. With the right, it is large corporations. With the left it is the government. But either way, you still wind up being owned.

Where does Trump stand in the left/right stuff? Well, some of his 'policies' are of course, rightist. Then again, some are leftist. And most of the rest are just plain bizarre... Using the terminology of that TV Game Show 'Lets make a deal', Trump is very much "What is behind Door #2"... We are asked to choose, and have no idea what we will wind up getting.

Using the terminology of that TV Game Show 'Lets make a deal', Trump is very much "What is behind Door #2"... We are asked to choose, and have no idea what we will wind up getting.

Trump is the Zonk prize.

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Using the terminology of that TV Game Show 'Lets make a deal', Trump is very much "What is behind Door #2"... We are asked to choose, and have no idea what we will wind up getting.

Trump is the Zonk prize.

Yep. We agree on that one.

Using the terminology of that TV Game Show 'Lets make a deal', Trump is very much "What is behind Door #2"... We are asked to choose, and have no idea what we will wind up getting.

Trump is the Zonk prize.

Yep. We agree on that one.

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Trump is running as a Populist. The name calling of him and his supporters, may ensure his election. The nonsupport of The Establishment, is meaningless. And only increases his Anti-Establishment numbers.

Are The Democrats and Hillary, as dumb as the failed Republican Anti-Trump attackers? Yep.

Trump is the master/expert of Mud Slinging/Sewer Politics. Covered with a veneer of Populism, Pro-Americanism, and Pro-Worker 'Talking Points'. Getting down into his Toilet. Will only increase his chances.

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"Why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye?"

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Let him commit political Suicide.

That sentiment has been stated repeatedly for over a year, with the clear result now apparent.
A question I've been puzzling lately is why the Entertainment Effete, who refer to Trump as racist, say if he's elected they will move to Canada.....Why don't they say Mexico?.........racist?

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