Try comparing everyday crimes and see . Funny we haven't had a massacre here in ozz since the gun laws where changed 15 years ago can America say they haven't had that type of crime in the last 15 years .....

That's a BIG NO

Just another wonderful Cultural Difference.

Don't Liberals cheer, encourage, and promote, Cultural Differences?

Say what cultural difference , please explain the cultural difference and what it has to do with this type of crime .

Martin Bryant aka :the guy that did this "Port Arthur massacre ",https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)

was the last time this sort of thing happen'd and was the event that changed our laws and woke everyone up , not cultural difference

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Here Here

A one off incedent by a terrorist that has help to get illegal weapons or bombs does not mean gun control does not work .

Wrong stats to compare with

Try comparing everyday crimes and see . Funny we haven't had a massacre here in ozz since the gun laws where changed 15 years ago can America say they haven't had that type of crime in the last 15 years .....

That's a BIG NO

Then you are lucky.
Both Norway and Finland has gun control and yet massacres occurs.
In Finland it was a young maniac that killed school childrens.
In Norway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik
He killed 75 young people within a few hours with a Ruger Mini-14 carbine and a Glock 34 pistol.

yes Jan you may have gun control but do you have the same gun controls as we do .

You can not own any type of automatic or semi automatic period full stop
You can not own a hand gun without being in a gun club you can not get one if you have any arrest for assault , I think you also must have a A1 security licence as cops and security guards are the only one allowed to own them .

To own a gun you must ne a farmer or belong to a registerd gun club .

You can only buy bolt action rifles , you can't even have a pump action shot gun only a double barrel type .

You must have police check and have been granted a licence to buy guns .

even crossbows are illegal here .

We introduced these laws after the Port Arthur Massacre and that was not the only one we have had here but it has been the last one since gun laws changed.

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Try comparing everyday crimes and see . Funny we haven't had a massacre here in ozz since the gun laws where changed 15 years ago can America say they haven't had that type of crime in the last 15 years .....
That's a BIG NO
Just another wonderful Cultural Difference.
Don't Liberals cheer, encourage, and promote, Cultural Differences?

Say what cultural difference , please explain the cultural difference and what it has to do with this type of crime .
Martin Bryant aka :the guy that did this "Port Arthur massacre ",https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)
was the last time this sort of thing happen'd and was the event that changed our laws and woke everyone up , not cultural difference

For want of a better description.
The USA is a Gun Culture, Anti-Government Culture, Anti those who believe they are Superior Culture, and basically Cowboys.
Just as Cultures have their myths. IE: Japanese are Samurai. Americans are Cowboys.
Yes... Different Culture and Cultural Myths.
U.S. Cowboy Culture believes that some social chaos and individual murdering deranged acts: Are preferable, as History Instructs, to Government mass murdering and mass control deranged acts.
Culture, is what determines a Country's and/or Tribal Laws.
Perhaps those who risk everything to come to this Country. Are different then those, stuck in The Past, who remain.

I have been a cowboy:)
Yes a boy moving cows to and from pastures.
I didn't have a gun but once it was an accident.
The cow Diana slipped on some stones on the road in front of me and broke her hip.
Only thing to do is to end her life but we kids where not allowed to see it...
Still missing Diana...

but it has been the last one since gun laws changed

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/terrorists-reportedly-sydney-cafe-article-1.2045217
To believe you are safe because a law says so is a delusion. Your bans really helped those in the Chocolate Shoppe. I think it was Bob Dylan who wrote "The times they are a changin'.."

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yes Jan you may have gun control but do you have the same gun controls as we do .

You can not own any type of automatic or semi automatic period full stop
You can not own a hand gun without being in a gun club you can not get one if you have any arrest for assault , I think you also must have a A1 security licence as cops and security guards are the only one allowed to own them .

To own a gun you must ne a farmer or belong to a registerd gun club .
You can only buy bolt action rifles , you can't even have a pump action shot gun only a double barrel type .
You must have police check and have been granted a licence to buy guns .
even crossbows are illegal here .
We introduced these laws after the Port Arthur Massacre and that was not the only one we have had here but it has been the last one since gun laws changed.

Yes we have a strict gun control here.
But the proximity to Russia and the Balcan states...
There are LOTS of these illegal weapons here.
Only a few days ago I read about people using handgrenades in Malmö southern Sweden!

For want of a better description.

The USA is a Gun Culture, Anti-Government Culture, Anti those who believe they are Superior Culture, and basically Cowboys

I agree there , wild west mentality . We have Cowboys too just not wild west days of ye old times .

U.S. Cowboy Culture believes that some social chaos and individual murdering deranged acts: Are preferable, as History Instructs, to Government mass murdering and mass control deranged acts.

ok now I know your mad as all of you's .

Didn't the north open up on new York citizens when they brought in the draft or something . And I seem to remembering your government doing experiment with your troops during WWII while they where testing the nukes .
hey let's let of a nuke and send in the troops to see what happens to them with radiation .
My point is the guns wont stop your government doing bad things to the people .
New Yorkers had weapons back then to , it's just the navy had better ones .

But I take your point to many meat head Cowboys living in the glory days of the wild wild west

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But I take your point to many meat head Cowboys living in the glory days of the wild wild west

I love the way you resort to personal epithets because facts and logic are beyond your kin.

To save you the research....
ep•i•thet (ĕpˈə-thĕtˌ)►
n. An abusive or contemptuous word or phrase.

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"Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)>

But I take your point to many meat head Cowboys living in the glory days of the wild wild west

I love the way you resort to personal epithets because facts and logic are beyond your kin.

To save you the research....
ep•i•thet (ĕpˈə-thĕtˌ)►
n. An abusive or contemptuous word or phrase.

oh ok I shall redo that for you

But I take your point to many Cowboys living in the glory days of the wild wild west

Is that better if you don't wish to be refered to as a meat head then don't act like one as only a meat head thinks like a meat head , owwww guns ore good gimme gimme gimme wow bang bang bang wow that's cool wahoooooo

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRvCvsRp5ho

And PROUD OF IT!

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Glenn doesn't understand. His government doesn't do the things that happen here (at least he hopes so).
Every street corner has a camera. Your comings and goings are put into the database. Every phone call is routed through a stingray, so your location and who you talk to goes into the database. Every internet data packet is captured and put into the database. The only thing preventing total enslavement is that the computers to sift this in real time haven't yet been invented. Otherwise there wouldn't be any need of gun registration. Your okay to buy or reject would already be up on the gun dealers computer by the time you walked to the counter!

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Glenn doesn't understand. His government doesn't do the things that happen here (at least he hopes so).
Every street corner has a camera. Your comings and goings are put into the database.

wrong country you mean London England . There are no camra's on the corner street where I live hell they haven't even put one facing the new kids playground in the main street of my local town .

Our government can only keep Meta Data in a data base for 2 years and the police and security forces have to go to court to get a court order to look at it .

Every phone call is routed through a stingray, so your location and who you talk to goes into the database. Every internet data packet is captured and put into the database.

wrong country again it your N.S.A that routing the phone calls not our government as they can only collect the Meta Data nothing else , other wise Australian would not be known as the biggest users and downloaders of Torrent sites we would all be in jail .

The only thing preventing total enslavement is that the computers to sift this in real time haven't yet been invented.

Then what the hell is the N.S.A doing with all that data there collecting .Plus all the police forces are linked and why you go to a police station to have the criminal checks to get the licence before going to the shop . It should not be the shop owners that do the checks but the police . Oh right your cops are to Lazy to do there jobs and check the criminal records of those that wish to get a gun licence . Better to let every tom dick or harry who owns a gun shop do the polices dirty work

Otherwise there wouldn't be any need of gun registration. Your okay to buy or reject would already be up on the gun dealers computer by the time you walked to the counter!

As I said you need the licence before going into a gun shop and why should the owner of a shop even have to check . Do car dealers contact the Motor Registry before you buy a car to see if your the holder of a licence ? not here they don't and you don't need a licence to buy a car only to drive one.

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Glenn, you really need to actually READ a post before responding, it's obvious that Gary IS referring to the US of A. Take the time to comprehend the post before setting your hair on fire......

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Glenn doesn't understand. His government doesn't do the things that happen here (at least he hopes so).
Every street corner has a camera. Your comings and goings are put into the database.

wrong country you mean London England .

You do seem to have a comprehension problem. USA and Australia. Where did England come from? Or didn't you know the USA has a camera at every corner?
Example: https://goo.gl/maps/1mJWz

There are no camra's on the corner street where I live hell they haven't even put one facing the new kids playground in the main street of my local town .

Our government can only keep Meta Data in a data base for 2 years and the police and security forces have to go to court to get a court order to look at it .

Every phone call is routed through a stingray, so your location and who you talk to goes into the database. Every internet data packet is captured and put into the database.

wrong country again it your N.S.A that routing the phone calls not our government as they can only collect the Meta Data nothing else , other wise Australian would not be known as the biggest users and downloaders of Torrent sites we would all be in jail .

The only thing preventing total enslavement is that the computers to sift this in real time haven't yet been invented.

Then what the hell is the N.S.A doing with all that data there collecting .Plus all the police forces are linked and why you go to a police station to have the criminal checks to get the licence before going to the shop . It should not be the shop owners that do the checks but the police . Oh right your cops are to Lazy to do there jobs and check the criminal records of those that wish to get a gun licence . Better to let every tom dick or harry who owns a gun shop do the polices dirty work

Otherwise there wouldn't be any need of gun registration. Your okay to buy or reject would already be up on the gun dealers computer by the time you walked to the counter!

As I said you need the licence before going into a gun shop and why should the owner of a shop even have to check .

Perhaps to verify that the license is still valid?

Do car dealers contact the Motor Registry before you buy a car to see if your the holder of a licence ? not here they don't and you don't need a licence to buy a car only to drive one.

As to car dealers, they do have to check in many places, just to verify that you have insurance and can register the vehicle. You might be surprised as to just how much government business here in the USA is done by private citizens/businesses.

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No Gary I did not know you have camra's everywhere like England does .

As I said you need the licence before going into a gun shop and why should the owner of a shop even have to check .
Perhaps to verify that the license is still valid?

If they where anything like our car licence then he wouldn't need to check as they can't be forged because of the hologram on it so maybe a better more secure type of photo licence is needed

Do car dealers contact the Motor Registry before you buy a car to see if your the holder of a licence ? not here they don't and you don't need a licence to buy a car only to drive one. As to car dealers, they do have to check in many places, just to verify that you have insurance and can register the vehicle. You might be surprised as to just how much government business here in the USA is done by private citizens/businesses.

what , Man you realy are living in a police state . why check for insurance just because you bought a car . buying a car doesn't mean you are going to drive it , what if you just want it to put in a show room shorly you don't need it to be registerd or insurance for driving when you have no intention of driving on the roads .

Wow I thought our Government was to intusive . Maybe it's time you emigrate here just leave your guns there and your welcome to come down under where the real free people live .

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Man you realy are living in a police state
Wow I thought our Government was to intusive

Now you are beginning to understand.

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Man you realy are living in a police state
Wow I thought our Government was to intusive

Now you are beginning to understand

I understand you all seem to be very silly to even let it get that bad but then that's what happen when you keep electing the wrong power hungry greedy people to office whom wish to object or lie all the time about what they stand for or are going to do when elected .

it seems you all have the words

SUCKER tattooed on your forheads when it comes to politics And don't get al upperdy there are a lot of SUCKERS here too but they soon relise what they did as Tony Abbott will find out very soon you lot don't see the error of your ways but keep making it worse .

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Once the first greedy power hungry bastard gets in, he rigs the game; it becomes impossible to ever elect someone who isn't a greedy power hungry bastard. Usually each succeeding one is worse than the last. Sorry to hear you have started down that narrow one way street with Mr. Abbott.

Oh as the the USA 1984 state: The difference between the USA's surveillance and that of the DPRK, the citizens of the USA are armed and many government workers believe in the words in the constitution although not the specific details of their implementation.

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Once the first greedy power hungry bastard gets in, he rigs the game; it becomes impossible to ever elect someone who isn't a greedy power hungry bastard. Usually each succeeding one is worse than the last. Sorry to hear you have started down that narrow one way street with Mr. Abbott.

I Bloody hope not . He's only got aprox 12 months left and there's a by election in a week or 2 (someone retired) if he looses that a safe Liberal seat he's Gone as there Leader there already talking about it on the news .......please , please please make it so

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Oh as the the USA 1984 state: The difference between the USA's surveillance and that of the DPRK, the citizens of the USA are armed and many government workers believe in the words in the constitution although not the specific details of their implementation.

Believing in something is easy. Acting on those beliefs not so much.

Besides, the Constitution is a little like a holy book from any given religion. People all interpret it differently or even flat out pretend that some parts of it don't exist or at least don't apply to them. Now its made a bit easier by having a Supreme Court tell people what the constitution really means, but even then there is a good chunk of people who get really salty when the Supreme Courts interpretation is not the same as their own interpretation. Thats when they start whining about 'activists judges' and the Supreme Court acting 'unconstitutional'.

Its that the media does such a wonderful job ignoring it, but there is already plenty of homegrown extremism and terrorism that revolves around some nutjobs interpretation of the constitution. Just look at how they responded to the whole Operation Jade Helmet business. How long before US troops on a regular exercise get attacked by some of these paranoid idiots? And do you think they will not fire upon those militias because they are American citizens? Quite honestly, I think that once militias start shooting at the military, the military will shoot back.