1st off, if they didn't release it, someone else would have done.
2nd, how do you know they don't have the means to track those who use it?
3rd without cryptography, you would not be here posting as your computer would be wide open.
4th What's with all the angst against the US?

2 broke girl racist remarks
plagiarism of a Australian movie whom the racist remark to the cast they insulted

Sigma , Alpha , Gamma video of a frat boy saying there should lynch a Blackman

who's to say someone else would have released it

cryptography for data privacy is different from a currency .

No angst just disappointment . plus it's funny as ......you could not write a script like what has happened lately on the news services

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cryptography for data privacy is different from a currency.

How so?

who's to say someone else would have released it

So what you're saying is that the only Intelligence & Cryptographic services intelligent enough are American & the rest of the world are dumb?

cryptography for data privacy is different from a currency.

How so?

well if you can't see the difference between the 2 here is 1, it encourages criminal behaviour and a second 1 Tax avoidance .

having the keys wont help it will be like fishing if your real lucky you may get that one block with a message and if you even luckier you mite just get a bit of valuable info , or pot luck really !

And then there's copyright , mm how can company's register , would that be one way of stopping it !! same for giving a patient's oh right it's open source another great idea I spose.

As I have said I do believe there may be a law or something in America where one of the keys I can't remember which one has to be lodged with the government (military)

Tech can be a blessing or a curse , are we wise enough to use it ?, people should ask themselves when they have a thought bubble and write softwhere or are offered a inducement to write some things .

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Apparently someone believes the US government exerts more control over its citizens than Kim does in North Korea. That or someone is stereotyping every US person from a couple incidents of idiots and condemning all the same way a racist does.

OBW, cryptography is cryptography, it is all for privacy from spying eyes, no matter if the content is an explicit love letter, or a payment for a murder.

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Oh right, a company that wants to protect its data which in many cases is more valuable than currency are either criminals or out to avoid paying tax.

As for copyright...

...you design a great logo & I steal it, use it for my own purposes & it helps me make millions...

...will you let that slide?

The same applies to patents.

OBW, cryptography is cryptography, it is all for privacy from spying eyes, no matter if the content is an explicit love letter, or a payment for a murder

not quiet the love letter yes but payments for murder and no way of tracing it , yep rely good idea now who do I wish to kill now I have the means mmmmmmmmmmm.

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OBW, cryptography is cryptography, it is all for privacy from spying eyes, no matter if the content is an explicit love letter, or a payment for a murder

not quiet the love letter yes but payments for murder and no way of tracing it , yep rely good idea now who do I wish to kill now I have the means mmmmmmmmmmm.

Again, how so? If both used the same cryptographic program, how will you be able to tell whether it's a love letter or a payment?

Oh right, a company that wants to protect its data which in many cases is more valuable than currency are either criminals or out to avoid paying tax.

no as I said for data privacy is 1 thing secret money laundering or Tax avoidance is something else .

I think many of you don't realise the U.S has had the power do demand keys as a matter of national security for a long time particularly if it's done in the U.S

You still got the Patriot Act over there ?

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How about explaining how & why they're different rather than just stating they are.

Cryptography is just protection nothing more, nothing less. As for data, credit card data is not required to be secure? One's personal data does not need securing from Identity Theft?

There you go again with attacking the US. Why don't you look into the UK's laws (or even your own) regarding the handover of keys? In fact one teenager here recently got 16 months for refusing to hand his over.

How about explaining how & why they're different rather than just stating they are.

Sirius B , seriously !!

Cryptography is just protection nothing more, nothing less. As for data, credit card data is not required to be secure? One's personal data does not need securing from Identity Theft?

Write you Local or Federal MP which ever aplly's a good idea make them hand over the keys so we don't get our ID's stolen

There you go again with attacking the US. Why don't you look into the UK's laws (or even your own) regarding the handover of keys? In fact one teenager here recently got 16 months for refusing to hand his over.

oh god , your not having a good day are you . I'm not having a go at America about the Patriot Act I'm pointing out they I believe do have the power and should use it in this case to stop any more of them from being released and work with there allies to stop anymore .

It's to late for the 1 out there .

All you need to do is download said Crypto Currency Wallet run it a a server which is built into the software and Bingo your now a terminal to process Crypto currency's

And why it's now to late shut them down in one country , so what ! there are plenty of others that will start up , umm wonder if Putin would stop it ? or Fat Kim ?

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who's to say someone else would have released it

So what you're saying is that the only Intelligence & Cryptographic services intelligent enough are American & the rest of the world are dumb?

Codes and chypers will allways be at war with those who want to decode them.
Codes and decoders were pretty much even for most of its exsistence. But as computers get more powerfullIts swinging toward the coders. And If the quantom computer is unleashed Codes will be unbreakable. Or so they say. I would say just build a bigger quantum computer. But as I know nothing about quantum computers or particle physics Im talking out of my hat.
But The Code Book writen by Simon Singh in 1999 had postulated that coders were winnig the battle.
Thats why Governments dont want encryption to go global.
Id like to see what would happen if passwords were a required 24 characters? Think that some US agency would try and stop that?

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who's to say someone else would have released it

So what you're saying is that the only Intelligence & Cryptographic services intelligent enough are American & the rest of the world are dumb?

No Sirius I don't think the rest of the world is dumb .

I don't think it would have been able to get of the ground if it was released in any other country and I'm not so shore anybody in anther country would have had any more than a thought bubble that pooped to take it anywhere

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who's to say someone else would have released it

So what you're saying is that the only Intelligence & Cryptographic services intelligent enough are American & the rest of the world are dumb?

No Sirius I don't think the rest of the world is dumb.

I don't think it would have been able to get of the ground if it was released in any other country and I'm not so shore anybody in anther country would have had any more than a thought bubble that pooped to take it anywhere

So the rest of the world is dumb according to your emboldened statement, yet you say no in the sentence before?

Make your mind up :-)

No one can take on the Yanks or get anything off the ground? Then please explain the Euro.

Oh dear. Without Cryptographic Bitcoins are useless!
9 lessons:)
https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain/core-finance/money-and-banking/bitcoin/v/bitcoin-what-is-it

Thats why Governments dont want encryption to go global.
Id like to see what would happen if passwords were a required 24 characters?

Encryption and decryption is already global.
The software is even Open Source:)
http://sourceforge.net/directory/security/cryptography/os:windows/freshness:recently-updated/
You don't use passwords in encryption and decryption.

1st off, if they didn't release it, someone else would have done.
2nd, how do you know they don't have the means to track those who use it?
3rd without cryptography, you would not be here posting as your computer would be wide open.
4th What's with all the angst against the US?

As you can see...
Glenn can't stop.

He is the only one who knows about cryptographic in this thread.

Clyde. And Sarge Hartman:)

I am so surprised there is so much contention in this thread...and as someone who knows fairly little about cryptography I am totally baffled.

I would really appreciate it if someone can explain to me what the contention actually is.

All I see is Glenn claiming that the virtual currencies depend on cryptography (which seems obvious to me, what am I not understanding?) and then other people saying no, it doesn't.

Then there is some serious nitpicking about the dates the engima machine was used...well surely that information is easily checked?

So I would really appreciate a potted summary of the issues here (not from someone invested heavily on either side of the debate) so that I can follow the thread a little better.

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This thread have become weird.
Most of the discussions are histories of Enigma which I believe belongs to Cafe SETI or perhaps Science (non-SETI).
Codes & Cyphers are not a political issue.
Only political discussions that I can see is Glenn's concern of Bitcoins.