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JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
Since the Second World War, NATO has not helped European NATO members in any conflict in Europe. Care to discuss what NATO member used B2 Stealth technology to help end the conflict in Serbia/Bosnia/Herzegovina...........? "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Since the Second World War, NATO has not helped European NATO members in any conflict in Europe. Serbia/Bosnia/Herzegovina........... was not NATO members. Those Balkan states are still not members. http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/nato_countries.htm |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
Respectfully sir, you need to re-read the history: On July 10, 1992, NATO foreign ministers agreed, at a meeting in Helsinki, to assist the United Nations in monitoring compliance with sanctions established under United Nations Security Council resolutions 713 (1991) and 757 (1992). This led to the commencement of Operation Maritime Monitor off the coast of Montenegro, which was coordinated with the Western European Union Operation Sharp Vigilance in the Strait of Otranto on July 16.[2] On October 9, 1992, the Security Council passed Resolution 781, establishing a no-fly zone over Bosnia-Herzegovina. In response, on October 16, NATO expanded its mission in the area to include Operation Sky Monitor, which monitored Bosnian airspace for unauthorized flights. NATO's air mission also switched from monitoring to enforcement. The Security Council issued Resolution 816, which authorized states to use measures "to ensure compliance" with the no-fly zone over Bosnia.[4] In response, on April 12, 1993, NATO initiated Operation Deny Flight which was tasked with enforcing the no-fly zone, using fighter aircraft based in the region.[5] After the London Conference, NATO planned an aggressive new air campaign against the Bosnian Serbs. On August 28, 1995, Serb forces launched a mortar shell at the Sarajevo marketplace killing 37 people. Admiral Leighton Smith, the NATO commander recommended that NATO launch retaliatory air strikes under Operation Deliberate Force.[10] On August 30, 1995, NATO officially launched Operation Deliberate Force with large-scale bombing of Serb targets. The bombing lasted until September 20, 1995 and involved attacks on 338 individual targets. Largely as a result of the bombing under Operation Deliberate Force and changes in the battlefield situation, the belligerents in the Bosnian War met in Dayton, Ohio in November 1995, and signed the Dayton Accords, a peace treaty. As part of the accords, NATO agreed to provide 60,000 peacekeepers for the region, as part of the Implementation Force (IFOR). In December 1995, under Operation Joint Endeavor, NATO deployed these forces. These forces remained deployed until December 1996, when those remaining in the region were transferred to the Stabilization Force (SFOR). SFOR peacekeepers remained in Bosnia until 2004. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_intervention_in_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina I count 10 instances of the word NATO appearing in this abridged quote. "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_intervention_in_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina As you say and refer to wikipedia "NATO_intervention_in_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina". Have NATO member states suffered from Balkan states affairs? |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_intervention_in_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina If you count the fear of a conflict spreading into those NATO countries as has been the case countless times in Europe, and being the primary reason for NATO's creation, I would say yes. A correction to my initial post, B1's and F117 Nighthawks were supplied by the US under NATO targeting direction in Serbia. The B2 was first used, again under NATO direction, in the Kosovo war(another remnant of the Yugoslav Communist "Republic"). "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
If you count the fear of a conflict spreading into those NATO countries as has been the case countless times in Europe, and being the primary reason for NATO's creation, I would say yes. Countless times in Europe? Please name one NATO member nation who has asked for help for military assistant in Europe and got help from NATO. I mean NATO countries that are being attacked from a non NATO country. |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
If you count the fear of a conflict spreading into those NATO countries as has been the case countless times in Europe, and being the primary reason for NATO's creation, I would say yes. Again my friend, you miss the point. You didn't read the posted history. NATO is not a sovereign but derives it's power and existence from the member countries. NATO does not capriciously start bombing or shooting artillery without the request of the member countries to do so. And it CANNOT do so. ITEM: FRANCE is a NATO member, France REQUESTED NATO run the operation that took out Khadafi. What would you call that? The members of NATO are also members of the UN which has passed many resolutions in the last 50 years REQUESTING NATO assistance in settling or policing various conflicts. Can you give me an instance where a NATO member did not vote in favor of those UN resolutions REQUESTING NATO intervention? Being attacked directly could be construed many ways. The fact remains NATO members have directly or indirectly requested NATO assistance in the form of Military action many times. "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
If you count the fear of a conflict spreading into those NATO countries as has been the case countless times in Europe, and being the primary reason for NATO's creation, I would say yes. Oops. Many questions from you:) I start with this one. Libya is not an Europian country. Makes me thinking. Are NATO an organisation to satisfy only US intressants? |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Oops. Many questions from you:) Indeed;) Putin likes this very much. |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
Libya is not an Europian country. Unbelievable! I give up, you are incapable of following logic. Good luck with the future. "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Libya is not an Europian country. Sorry to hear that. To me and many others we also not only follow logical reasoning. We use gut feeling and common sense as well. Preemptive warfare is bad. It's like putting out fire with gasolin. |
JaundicedEye Send message Joined: 14 Mar 12 Posts: 5375 Credit: 30,870,693 RAC: 1 |
Libya is not an Europian country. A 'Europian' country would necessarily orbit Jupiter......now I can be as obtuse as you.....except intentionally. "Sour Grapes make a bitter Whine." <(0)> |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Libya is not an Europian country. LOL Obtuse: annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand. English is not my native language. btw Europe is orbiting Jupiter:) |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Thanks guys for all your post's you have confirmed what I already know and where this is all going to end . Now all we need is that next US election and if the whore of the west gets into power well i'll keep what I know to myself . And to think the bastions of freedom have help'd ISIS to keep fighting and even send messages to each other that nobody can read and all because they don't like governments telling them what to do . When a people make something that can be used to harm them I have to laugh hahahahahaha good one America inventing Cryptocurrencies and to think it's been released when you are at war !!!! America = Forrest Gump And for those that don't know if you send a Namecoin to some ones wallet you can type a message that will be encrypted into the hash code and it can't be broken and can only be read by the person receiving it . Then there is Bitcoin which is a currency but it's outside of government controls and the banking system Then there Lite coins that you can send money via P2P connections also outside of the banking system and government controls Now you know how and whom has betrayed there own country by giving criminals and terrorists a means to get around sanctions and the banking system . Funny ther has been a lot of Bitcoin used in Russia oh that's right there's sanctions in place maybe that has something to do with why it's so popular in Russia . Now I wonder if there is a lot of Name coins going to umm Europe or the middle east ...????????? |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Funny ther has been a lot of Bitcoin used in Russia oh that's right there's sanctions in place maybe that has something to do with why it's so popular in Russia. How about cutting off the Russian banks from the international payment system SWIFT "Society for worldwide interbank financial telecommunication"? Using SWIFT for sanctions has so far only been made against Iran. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
LOL No:) |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Funny ther has been a lot of Bitcoin used in Russia oh that's right there's sanctions in place maybe that has something to do with why it's so popular in Russia. Actually it's Russian gas. A third of Europe's energy comes from Russia in the form of gas and oil and so it will be a long time to come. The citizens of Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, Germany and Italy are some of them who would get cold radiators in the winter. Well, sanctions are cheaper then war. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
nope wont work doesn't use that system for crypto . Jan |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Glenn. I was not referring to Bitcoins but a way to stop Putin. |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Why did some Western European Country's do this to themselves? Wasn't it you Americans that invented crypto currency ? so why do you do it to your self ? |
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