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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19136 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
For those who might think that Charlie Hebdo was a periodical that was a target for Islamists, then they probably don't know French publications. This article may help you understand. http://blogs.mediapart.fr/blog/olivier-tonneau/110115/charlie-hebdo-letter-my-british-friends Firstly, a few words on Charlie Hebdo, which was often “analyzed†in the British press on the sole basis, apparently, of a few selected cartoons. It might be worth knowing that the main target of Charlie Hebdo was the Front National and the Le Pen family. Next came crooks of all sorts, including bosses and politicians (incidentally, one of the victims of the shooting was an economist who ran a weekly column on the disasters caused by austerity policies in Greece). Finally, Charlie Hebdo was an opponent of all forms of organized religions, in the old-school anarchist sense: Ni Dieu, ni maître! They ridiculed the pope, orthodox Jews and Muslims in equal measure and with the same biting tone. They took ferocious stances against the bombings of Gaza. Even if their sense of humour was apparently inacceptable to English minds, please take my word for it: it fell well within the French tradition of satire – and after all was only intended for a French audience. It is only by reading or seeing it out of context that some cartoons appear as racist or islamophobic. Charlie Hebdo also continuously denounced the pledge of minorities and campaigned relentlessly for all illegal immigrants to be given permanent right of stay. I hope this helps you understand that if you belong to the radical left, you have lost precious friends and allies. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
3,000 to 5,000 Europeans now a potential terrorist threat On a population of 500 million people? Yeah, very scary, having to worry that 0.0001% of the population might be a terrorist. Yes, its a problem. But its a problem we should be able to deal with. Tracking a few thousand people shouldn't be that hard for agencies that are tracking the entire internet. Can governments ban encryption? Leave it to Cameron to talk bloated nonsense again. He wants to ban encryption? Guess he didn't realize that basically means banning the internet. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Yes, its a problem. But its a problem we should be able to deal with. Tracking a few thousand people shouldn't be that hard for agencies that are tracking the entire internet. The point was that if a government agency can monitor everyone on the internet, then surely it should be a walk in the park to monitor only 5000 people. After all, it seems a lot easier to track 5000 people as opposed to 500 million people. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
What is this? All the women in the photo of the Je suis Charlie march have been erased in an Israeli newspaper. The women who have been erased include German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo and EU foreign policy and security chief Frederica Mogherini. Denmark's Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt has been cropped so that only her hand is visible in one corner of the image. https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dn.se%2Fnyheter%2Fvarlden%2Falla-kvinnor-pa-foto-av-terrormarschen-bortsuddade%2F&edit-text= Al Qaeda in Yemen assumes responsibility for the attack against the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo in Paris. The reason is said to be revenge for the newspaper has insulted the Prophet Muhammad. "The operation was carried out in accordance with Osama bin Laden's wish," said Nasser bin Ali al-Ansi in a new video. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/charlie-hebdo-paris-attacks-al-qaeda-4976154 |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19136 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Surely there is a lot more to investigating terrorist suspects than monitoring their internet and mobile phone activity. What if they use good old methods like face to face briefings in wide open spaces, or dead letter boxes etc. If they are really a threat then they need to be monitored and observed 24/7, that takes a lot of manpower and resources. I wouldn't be surprised if the bill to keep one suspect under 24/7 observation for a year topped £1 million. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
The satirical magazine's latest cover features a seemingly saddened Mohammed holding a “Je Suis Charlie†sign with the headline “Tout est Pardonné†|
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Yes, its a problem. But its a problem we should be able to deal with. Tracking a few thousand people shouldn't be that hard for agencies that are tracking the entire internet. So answer this: - "It is also worth noting, he added, that the men involved in the Paris shootings were known to the authorities and had been under surveillance until it was deemed that the threat from them had lessened.! |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30734 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Yes, its a problem. But its a problem we should be able to deal with. Tracking a few thousand people shouldn't be that hard for agencies that are tracking the entire internet. Was that because Mr. Snowden told them what communications channels were being monitored, so they switched to other unmonitored channels and put false happy messages on the monitored channels? They are dead now, so we can't waterboard this out of them ...... |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
I am charlie was a bad thing the terrorists did . Play Devil advocate : What did they expect when you use what is a insult and then claim it to be satire or freedom of speech Charlie Hebdo would not be able to print what they have been printing here in Australia . It would come under the anti discrimination act of the federal and state government , and be classed as religious vilification under state law but not federal as that only covers racial vilification . Those calming that Charlie Hebdo has the right under freedom of the press or freedom of speech is wrong . As for the Americans whom will try and criticize me for saying theses things i will remind them to say nothing or i will show how you are hypocrite's on this subject by reminding you what you did and said when a t/v station here show'd the 25th aniversary of HEY HEY IT'S SATURDAY and asked the very first act that was on the show , in the very first episode of this show to come back . 1 cartoon once in say 12 months you can call satire but repeated cartoons in a short time borders on religious vilification Freedom of the press is not the same as freedom of speech which people do not have as there are laws about defamation , slander , libel unless you can prove what you are saying . If you know your bible then this subject is coverd better by the ten commandments than any law of man . Do not give false witness about your nabour Do unto others which you do not wish done to you . |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
I am charlie I assume you read the article linked a few posts earlier http://blogs.mediapart.fr/blog/olivier-tonneau/110115/charlie-hebdo-letter-my-british-friends |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Actually no Bernie i have not read any articles like that .It is my own opinion i don't troll news services in fact if i did not post here i would never read them . I am not saying what those guys did is correct either . 2 wrongs don't make a rite. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Pope Francis regarding Paris killings: "Those who make fun or toy with other people’s religions, these people provoke and can expect violence If a friend insults my mother, he’s going to get a punch One cannot kill in the name of God, but one cannot insult other people’s faith†https://twitter.com/francisxrocca Yes. But murder people like that for an insult:( |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Oxford University Press bans mention of pork and pigs in books to 'avoid offending Muslims or Jews' Pigs plus sausages, or anything else which could be perceived as pork. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/oxford-university-press-bans-mention-pork-pigs-books-avoid-offending-muslims-jews-1483378 Where will it end? |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
If the Pope, the Bishop of Rome and the leader of the worldwide Catholic Church, currently Pope Francis, born Jorge Mario Bergoglio, has truly said this, then that is disgraceful, and he should be kicked out without delay. Or is this as I suspect, a scam. How lovely, the pope uses his right of free speech but since you don't like it, he should lose his job over it. My my, I don't think you understand the concept of free speech. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
This was the post that I replied to. Perhaps much ado about nothing. In an email, Vatican spokesman Thomas Rosica told CNN that "the Pope's expression is in no way intended to be interpreted" as somehow justifying last week's violence, and he pointed out that "the Pope has spoken out clearly against the terror and violence that occurred in Paris and in other parts of the world." http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/15/world/pope-francis-punch/ |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
French Comedian Faces Trial Over Online Comments All "Free Speech" means is that the government cannot imprison you for what you say. It does not protect you from the consequences of what you say and it doesn't mean that any platform has to allow you use them to preach your message. There seems to be a myth about that Christian or Jewish leaders protect free speech. In some countries it is illegal to deny the holocaust. Would you defend the rights of holocaust deniers as avidly as you defend the rights of anti Muslim propagandists? Reality Internet Personality |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
All "Free Speech" means is that the government cannot imprison you for what you say. It does not protect you from the consequences of what you say and it doesn't mean that any platform has to allow you use them to preach your message. Yes...but bear in mind when making your generalisations about Christians etc that America is not the sole arbiter of Christian view points..and there also seems to be little agreement in America either. After all, Christians go around blowing up abortion clinics. Although that is not a free speech issue, it does show that Christian fanatics can be just as hateful and vile as any other religious fanatic. Reality Internet Personality |
shizaru Send message Joined: 14 Jun 04 Posts: 1130 Credit: 1,967,904 RAC: 0 |
Happy New Year Chris! --- I hardly ever stumble into Politics but when I made my above comment it started out as a reply at the Café and now I have been sucked in! :) I expected there to already be a thread here in Politics, maybe with a sensationalist title like "Paris Killings" (or maybe I'm being too harsh on you guys). I must say I find it odd there wasn't one before this. Just to clarify (not that it matters anymore; the way the thread played out it obviously belongs in Politics) what I was trying to say in my previous comment: -If a piece of news makes me sad, then it should be in the Café. -If a piece of news makes me mad, then it should be in Politics. or -If I want a light-hearted discussion on a potentially serious/controversial subject I'd hope to be able to keep it in the Café (with clear instructions in my first post that political comments are unwelcome). Of course if I wanted to create a hot-potato thread in the Café and expect it stay there, I know I'd have to watch it like a hawk. But anyway, all rhetorical now (especially seeing as OP was hit and run). --- As the rest of the thread discusses Nazis right now, I'd like to go back to the Pope quote. I liked it. It shows flexibility rather than dogma which I think is refreshing and exactly what the planet needs right now from its religious leaders and followers. I'd also like to believe that if one of the HEBDO crew got punched in the face by anyone, they would smile and say "fair enough". |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
I figured you would be the idiot to come out with B/S maybe you should have read my post better grumpy So let prove that America is a hypocrite shall we . You call what Charlie Hebdo is doing satire and that's ok . Well maybe you can explain why when Hey Hey It's Saturday ask the act where 2 men dressed as golly wogs in a comedy skit was wrong and not satire but what Charlie Hebdo does is satire ? Your hypocrites with big mouths as it's ok for Charlie Hebdo to print offensive cartoons but not ok for 2 men to do a golly wog skit on a comedy show what was some of the comments on your news services and talk back shows used It's Racial Vilification , Offensive , racist , they should apologize read my lips $%^& ^&& you hypocrite's America = Hypocrite As another User here states it's ok to insult others but if i started to say the holocaust did not happen then the screams from all the jews and the hypocrite Yanks would be deafening So i'm not surprised the biggest mouth is a Jew |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24882 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I really never thought that this project's forums would ever get this bad, unfortunately, I have to finally admit, I was dreaming. I'm currently crunching WCG, but when those tasks complete, I'm gone, not just from this project but boinc itself. Unlike others, I won't be back as I have better things to do with both my time & life. For those of you who actually know me, should you ever bump into me at any time, walk away! |
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