Well, it's never a good sign when the SSP gets stuck in time.
I'll send my usual messages, but I doubt I shall reach anybody at this time of night.
If things don't sort themselves, we are probably dead in the water for the next 8 hours or so.

Meowsigh.

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Does it really matter?

Yes. It is about recognition for effort.
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New Math...... $=Effort
Therefor 3X$=3XEffort

:-~

Not sure what you are getting at?

Regardless of how your machine(s) run, you should get the same level of recognition for MB and AP. This was the case under MB6 and AP6. They were fairly well matched so it did not matter which one you did.

It is not the case for MB7 (and AP6 and AP7).

As a rough example, if you do AP6/7 (yes I know that there is no more AP6) you would get X (based on how you ran your machine(s)). If you do MB7 based on the same behaviour, you get about 70% of X. Thus you get less recognition (from Berkeley) for your effort if you do MB compared to AP.

cheers

Wait are you saying that if you and I both crunch an AP on a similar GPU one of use gets more credit than the other?

And if my cpu is identical to yours and we crunch MB or AP we get different amounts of credit for the same task.

I didn't realise that.

Or is it that we both get the same credit, just less than it used to be.

And it is high credit you really want?

If I missed the point please explain.

Nope.
The two crunching the same work unit will always get the same amount of credit.
No matter its on CPU or GPU.

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All of the machines are out of work.

Couple have stuck downloads.

Can hear the case creaking and contracting from cooling down....


:(

Edit...

Looks like Beta might be having problems as well...

New Math...... $=Effort
Therefor 3X$=3XEffort

What that means is there STILL needs to be a sarcasm font.

My intent was to convey a direct relationship between funds and effort where one does NOT exist. A person with little funds who coincidentally happens to be the SA of a large server farm could either surreptitiously or even openly assign one or two processing threads from each server they administer to SETI work and show tremendous composite RAC with no personal funds(read effort) invested.

And if they 'hide' the computer(s) it would appear to the non skeptical they have built a Mega Cruncher to end all.

The book is not the cover and sometimes a Banana is just a Banana, Anna.

Credit is what it is. All AP7 apparently pays around 30-40% less than AP6. For whatever reason, however, personally my three machines are achieving 15-20% higher RAC than before the big crash.

I don't know what effect this has on those with RACs in the hundred thousand and up catagory.....now if you've got a deal to earn a dollar a RAC point I can see your pain.

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All AP7 apparently pays around 30-40% less than AP6.

And how much time does AP7 tasks take in comparison to AP6?

New Math...... $=Effort
Therefor 3X$=3XEffort

What that means is there STILL needs to be a sarcasm font.

I just use the tags for it <sarcasm></sarcasm>

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All AP7 apparently pays around 30-40% less than AP6.

And how much time does AP7 tasks take in comparison to AP6?

That's the point, they take fewer cycles to complete so obviously the credit for each will be less, BUT there will be MORE work processed (in terms of the NUMBER of WU's processed)and therefore more aggregate credit will be earned over time. Basic logic of efficiency.

I personally hope the BIG SIGNAL will be found by a 286 processor running DOS 5.0 with a RAC of around 35....... :D~

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I believe that the "credit" system is the least of the problems, regarding systems not functioning well in SETI land. I am only a database expert and when I see projects shutting down for half a day every week for "maintenance" and "backup", I know they have some serious issues. Most likely they are tied up in crappy technology because their "developers" did the "database design", which is a sure fire method to screw up in my book.

Partly that and partly obsolescent DB software, or stuff that was never really designed for the heavy load SETI puts on it.

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GACK! Bad philosophy rears its ugly head in this thread (and envy is actually a sin, not a philosophy).

So others have more money than me. And are willing to put it into the Project. More power to them; the project still allows the small and weak to participate on an equal basis.

I am retired and living mostly on Social Security and my wife's Teacher's pension. But I just made it to #99 by (mostly) buying and selling PC h/w on CL and eBay over time to build two powerful rigs for SETI; it was (strangely) fun to do so. All I ask is the chance to participate. If Joe Blow has the $$$ to build 10 rigs like mine and use them here, I applaud him for doing so. I don't bitch about it.

But like everyone else, I complain when the project is limping along (like for the last 3 months). BFD.

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And now the gas station is able to refill my tank (cache) again.

Hopefully, although I have not seen much coming through here yet.
Not surprising after an outage, of course.
Only other problem is that the Cricket graph server is also having problems, and I can't get a read on the traffic coming out of Berk right now...

Meowsigh.

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And now, 18:10:03 UTC, SSP shows no AP splitters running. Well, that could be SSP glitch again, or not...

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There's trouble again in paradise..... :-)

Yeah, well....
We're up to a bit over 900k AP results in the temp storage phase.
Dunno how much space they can devote to that until the AP database is finally healed and assimilation can progress.

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Well, the last couple of requests for work have resulting in getting work, but only for the CPU.
None of those downloaded has been a VLAR, yet the GPU is unable to get anything on both of my systems- "This computer has reach a limit on tasks in progress" being the response.
Yet another system glitch?

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OK, who stepped on the Cricket. Both my links show no activity but downloads are working. Anyone know how to find the router they're using?

OK, who stepped on the Cricket. Both my links show no activity but downloads are working. Anyone know how to find the router they're using?

You probably have the correct link....
The graphs would not load at all a while ago, and now that they have come back online, check the time stamp. I don't think they are updating the data yet.

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OK, who stepped on the Cricket. Both my links show no activity but downloads are working. Anyone know how to find the router they're using?

You probably have the correct link....
The graphs would not load at all a while ago, and now that they have come back online, check the time stamp. I don't think they are updating the data yet.

Looks like they ran out of ink again.

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Thanks Dog that we are so well informed, that nobody needs to wonder why the Astropulse science database marvin is down and out again.

Perhaps there is no one there to tells us.

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OK, who stepped on the Cricket. Both my links show no activity but downloads are working. Anyone know how to find the router they're using?

Since the switch to the colo the primary router for SETI@home is inr-211 with the backup being inr-210. If you look at an other ports on those routers, or any of the UCB routers actually, none of them are updating.
The network graphs are generated by the campus IS/IT department for their use & the use of their colo customers. Since it is an infrastructure monitoring tool is is most likely down because they disabled it for some purpose. Such as moving equipment or such.
IIRC it was down for about a day a few months ago as well.

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I'm only running one computer. Using 2 cores of an old Q8200 CPU for CPU tasks, and 2 cores feeding a single Mid-range GPU, ATI HD7870.
Look at the RAC folks, and ask yourselves why it beats so many multi GPU monster computers :-)

Do you cheat?

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I'm only running one computer. Using 2 cores of an old Q8200 CPU for CPU tasks, and 2 cores feeding a single Mid-range GPU, ATI HD7870.
Look at the RAC folks, and ask yourselves why it beats so many multi GPU monster computers :-)

Do you cheat?

Do you?

Honestly I would expect that GPU to pump out a bit more. I would guess that the old Core 2 Quad might be slowing down the GPU a bit. At least that is what I found out after moving from my Core 2 to an i5-4670 CPU with the same HD6870.

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