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Message 1651553 - Posted: 11 Mar 2015, 5:58:33 UTC

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/articles/2015/3/10/crack-baby-myth.html
Crack baby myth goes up in smoke
PHILADELPHIA – From the moment she was born, much of the country assumed Jaimee Drakewood was doomed. Her mother had her in the throes of a crack cocaine addiction. She was, as the politicians dubbed it, a crack baby.

"I immediately get defensive," Drakewood, now 25, says about hearing the term. "It's another stigma, another box to put me in. It bothers me, because it feels like I already had my life written off before I was able to live it."

Drakewood was born when the war on drugs was in full swing, and the crack baby was the poster child.

but .....
Hurt spearheaded the groundbreaking study, following the babies of mothers who smoked crack during their pregnancy between 1989 and 1992 – the height of the crack epidemic.

“We were really preparing for the worst,” Hurt said. “We had reports of psychologists saying this was going to be a biologically inferior underclass, might not even be able to dress themselves.”

But after 25 years of research, she found there were no differences in the health and life outcomes between babies exposed to crack and those who weren’t.

The crack baby was a myth.

What did make a difference for those babies, however, was poverty and violence.

Now you are all wondering what this has to do with race. America has a very high incarceration rate for blacks, well out of proportion to their numbers in society. America also has blacks being poor out of proportion to their numbers in society. As this study says being poor and exposed to violence is a good predictor of future issues, how does that play into the high proportion of blacks in the criminal justice system? Has any study attempted to correct for their poverty and violence in the ghetto while looking at their rate in the criminal justice system?

I really doubt it explains all of it, or even a majority. However it might explain why cops practice DWB. They may want to practice DWP (driving while poor) but it can be hard to tell looking at someone if they are poor, but skin color is easier to see. As many blacks are poor, it isn't a bad bet, and the cops make more arrests with the tactic, becoming a self fulfilling prophecy. If even 20% came from poverty, that would be enough to begin a vicious cycle.

This only highlights why America must get rid of poverty. Ready for that tax increase, or do you want to be the victim of another robber? Either way, Robin Hood is at work.
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Message 1651697 - Posted: 11 Mar 2015, 16:25:16 UTC - in response to Message 1651664.  


Cops don't make Rapists, Robbers, nor Murderers...

That would be well and good if that is what most black people were in prison for.

They are not.

For some reason you have made the assumption that all black people are rapists, robbers and murderers.
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Message 1651700 - Posted: 11 Mar 2015, 16:30:43 UTC

The Reasons Why So Many Black People Are in Prison Go Well Beyond Profiling

Ironically, Whites are more likely to be found with illegal drugs or weapons than Blacks or Latinos.

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Message 1651702 - Posted: 11 Mar 2015, 16:36:27 UTC
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Cops dont send peoples to prisons.
The jury system and the judge in the US does.
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Message 1651703 - Posted: 11 Mar 2015, 16:43:35 UTC - in response to Message 1651702.  

Cops dont send peoples to prisons.
The jury system and the judge in the US does.

They have to make it in front of a jury first. The cops put them there. The system means that they are less likely to be able to get good legal representation. Bias and racism means they are more likely to get convicted and will get harsher sentences.
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Message 1651705 - Posted: 11 Mar 2015, 16:47:48 UTC - in response to Message 1651703.  

Cops dont send peoples to prisons.
The jury system and the judge in the US does.

They have to make it in front of a jury first. The cops put them there. The system means that they are less likely to be able to get good legal representation. Bias and racism means they are more likely to get convicted and will get harsher sentences.

Sigh...
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Message 1651718 - Posted: 11 Mar 2015, 17:30:56 UTC
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This is getting silly.
The American judiciary therefore believe that a proportion of criminal suspects must be either black or white.
Let's say that during a week with just black suspects they all end up in jail.
Another week it is just white suspects and everyone gets acquitted.
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Message 1651719 - Posted: 11 Mar 2015, 17:33:36 UTC - in response to Message 1651718.  

This is getting silly.
The American judiciary therefore believe that a proportion of criminal suspects must be either black or white.
Let's say that during a week with just black suspects they all end up in jail.
Another week it is just white suspects and everyone gets acquitted.

I don't understand what you are trying to say.
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Message 1651721 - Posted: 11 Mar 2015, 17:36:26 UTC - in response to Message 1651719.  

This is getting silly.
The American judiciary therefore believe that a proportion of criminal suspects must be either black or white.
Let's say that during a week with just black suspects they all end up in jail.
Another week it is just white suspects and everyone gets acquitted.

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

Of course you do.
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Message 1651723 - Posted: 11 Mar 2015, 17:38:26 UTC - in response to Message 1651719.  

This is getting silly.
The American judiciary therefore believe that a proportion of criminal suspects must be either black or white.
Let's say that during a week with just black suspects they all end up in jail.
Another week it is just white suspects and everyone gets acquitted.

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

No I don't. I wouldn't say I didn't if I did.

Can you please clarify what you are trying to say as I am not getting your point.
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Message 1651724 - Posted: 11 Mar 2015, 17:47:42 UTC - in response to Message 1651723.  

This is getting silly.
The American judiciary therefore believe that a proportion of criminal suspects must be either black or white.
Let's say that during a week with just black suspects they all end up in jail.
Another week it is just white suspects and everyone gets acquitted.

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

No I don't. I wouldn't say I didn't if I did.

Can you please clarify what you are trying to say as I am not getting your point.

The US jury is selected to be a cross section of the US population.
They determine whether the accused is guilty or not.
The judge decides what penalty the convicted should have.

Get my Point?
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Message 1651733 - Posted: 11 Mar 2015, 18:20:31 UTC - in response to Message 1651724.  

This is getting silly.
The American judiciary therefore believe that a proportion of criminal suspects must be either black or white.
Let's say that during a week with just black suspects they all end up in jail.
Another week it is just white suspects and everyone gets acquitted.

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

No I don't. I wouldn't say I didn't if I did.

Can you please clarify what you are trying to say as I am not getting your point.

The US jury is selected to be a cross section of the US population.
They determine whether the accused is guilty or not.
The judge decides what penalty the convicted should have.

Get my Point?

Not really. Mainly because you haven't explained why it is relevant.

Racial bias is inherent at all stages of this process.
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Message 1651738 - Posted: 11 Mar 2015, 18:27:24 UTC
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Racial bias is inherent at all stages of this process is true.
But it's the justice system in America that sentence people.
Not only in America. All countries do the same.
Even in Africa!

Edit: Sorry, America is not a country.
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Message 1651739 - Posted: 11 Mar 2015, 18:32:39 UTC - in response to Message 1651738.  

Racial bias is inherent at all stages of this process is true.
But it's the justice system in America that sentence people.
Not only in America. All countries do the same.
Even in Africa!

If I am understanding you then in Africa there would be more black people in jail because there are more black people.

In the US there should be more white people in jail because there are more white people.

That however is not the case. So the prejudice with the American or even the European system is much easier to spot.
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Message 1651743 - Posted: 11 Mar 2015, 18:35:03 UTC - in response to Message 1651739.  
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If I am understanding you then in Africa there would be more black people in jail because there are more black people.

No. There are racism in Africa as well.
As in arab countries.
Surprised?
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Message 1651747 - Posted: 11 Mar 2015, 18:40:32 UTC - in response to Message 1651743.  

If I am understanding you then in Africa there would be more black people in jail because there are more black people.

No. There are racism in Africa as well.
As in arab countries.
Surprised?

No. Not at all.

..but it is very easy to spot in the US justice system.
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Message 1651759 - Posted: 11 Mar 2015, 18:57:06 UTC - in response to Message 1651747.  
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If I am understanding you then in Africa there would be more black people in jail because there are more black people.

No. There are racism in Africa as well.
As in arab countries.
Surprised?

No. Not at all.
..but it is very easy to spot in the US justice system.

I'm sorry to say that this happens in my country as well.
Very easy to spot. I'm living among many immigrants.
And I meet swedes that are objecting to our "generous" immigrant politics.
I don't see the problem.
I don't know much about Canada but I wouldn't be surprised if this happen there as well.

btw: Racist behaviour is not about the colour of your skin.
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Message 1651798 - Posted: 11 Mar 2015, 20:29:08 UTC - in response to Message 1651782.  


Hateful assumption against me.

Again. Another Vile Allegation against someone who disagrees with you.

Just a conclusion based on what you write and the claims you make.

Guess you can't stop.

Do you realize that it is YOUR Assumptions, against others, that are Hateful.

Not my thinking.

No. It is your thinking that I am reflecting back at you. If you don't like it, examine your thinking.

The conclusions you draw are based on false assumptions that do often appear to have their roots in unacknowledged racism.

When confronted in this way you have two options.

1) You can clarify you point and make clear what is is you actually meant (assuming that I have indeed misinterpreted what you are saying).

2) you can deflect the argument with mock outrage and hyperbolic accusations.
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Message 1651806 - Posted: 11 Mar 2015, 20:46:26 UTC

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