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Cruncher-American Send message Joined: 25 Mar 02 Posts: 1513 Credit: 370,893,186 RAC: 340 |
I run SETI@home, and for a long period (when it was not having troubles like the last few days), had no backup project. Since my machines were idle, I decided to add Einstein as a backup, with resource share = 0. As I remember, that works such that the backup will be ignored once SETI supplies me with sufficient WUs (CPU and GPU) so that no slots are available for Einstein. Is that still correct? If not, is there anything I should do to force Einstein off once SETI is back online? |
Aurora Borealis Send message Joined: 14 Jan 01 Posts: 3075 Credit: 5,631,463 RAC: 0 |
I run SETI@home, and for a long period (when it was not having troubles like the last few days), had no backup project. Since my machines were idle, I decided to add Einstein as a backup, with resource share = 0. You are correct. Back up project WU on your system should be set aside until they need to finished to meet deadline. No new work should be requested from the backup project unless you run dry again. |
TimeLord04 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23 |
Thanks for the information Aurora Borealis. I will make that change now. I didn't know that you could do that. TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos |
Zalster Send message Joined: 27 May 99 Posts: 5517 Credit: 528,817,460 RAC: 242 |
TL, That only works with the older versions on Boinc. If you use the latest version there are reports where it won't allow the backup project to work. Supposedly they are working on a fix but it won't be coming out until the next version of Boinc. So you might want to make sure you use an older version of it rather than the newest. Zalster |
TimeLord04 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23 |
TL, Thanks Zalster. Also, I just found out that Rosetta won't let you set "0" anyway. It defaults back to 100 if you select 0 and hit Update Preferences... So, I set it for 1. Also, found that Rosetta doesn't do GPU work; only CPU work, so I immediately set it for NNT and let the queue run dry. I will; however, set Einstein to 1 and SETI Beta to 2 and see how that runs. TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos |
TimeLord04 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23 |
I FINALLY got a WU from SETI!!! It's a MB WU; but, it's a WU!!! :-) TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos |
Aurora Borealis Send message Joined: 14 Jan 01 Posts: 3075 Credit: 5,631,463 RAC: 0 |
Einstein can be set to 0 that's how I got it set. Beta should also have no problem but haven't tested it. Only projects still using a very old version of project preferences will reject 0 share. |
Phil Burden Send message Joined: 26 Oct 00 Posts: 264 Credit: 22,303,899 RAC: 0 |
Einstein can be set to 0 that's how I got it set. Beta should also have no problem but haven't tested it. I had both Einstein & Primegrid set to zero, but neither would request wu's until I set them to 0.1 resource. They worked initially, then failed some days later. P. |
Dena Wiltsie Send message Joined: 19 Apr 01 Posts: 1628 Credit: 24,230,968 RAC: 26 |
Einstein can be set to 0 that's how I got it set. Beta should also have no problem but haven't tested it. The simple solution is to set all task for 100% and then set no new tasks on projects you don't want active. I use no new task to flush the records out of old computers when switching to a new system. |
Phil Burden Send message Joined: 26 Oct 00 Posts: 264 Credit: 22,303,899 RAC: 0 |
Einstein can be set to 0 that's how I got it set. Beta should also have no problem but haven't tested it. agreed, but that won't work with an unattended system. The resource share method would work with both attended and unattended. If desired ;-) P. |
Cruncher-American Send message Joined: 25 Mar 02 Posts: 1513 Credit: 370,893,186 RAC: 340 |
Thanks, Aurora for the confirmation. I did set Einstein to share 0 without any backtalk from either E or BOINC. Yesterday, I got a few MB CPU WUs from SETI (resends, I think) and they preempted the running Einstein WUs. And I'm running BOINC 7 (don't remember the exact versions, but not old). So it seems to be working as I had hoped. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34877 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Einstein works fine here with 0, but the closest I can get Rosetta to 0 is 0.01. ;-) Cheers. |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
Einstein can be set to 0 that's how I got it set. Beta should also have no problem but haven't tested it. Ive set both MilkyWay and Einstein to 0% and Seti to NNT. When the day comes we get work for Seti, You can bet your bottom dollar, They Get NNT set. [/quote] Old James |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Einstein can be set to 0 that's how I got it set. Beta should also have no problem but haven't tested it. The whole point of resource share zero is that it should only download one task at a time from your backup project only if your main project runs out of work. Then when your main project returns, the backup stops getting work. No need for NNT at all. |
TimeLord04 Send message Joined: 9 Mar 06 Posts: 21140 Credit: 33,933,039 RAC: 23 |
Einstein can be set to 0 that's how I got it set. Beta should also have no problem but haven't tested it. So, my question, now, is that since I run three projects, (SETI Main, Beta, and Einstein), if I set Beta and Einstein both to 0 will they get work while Main is down? Or, would I have to set one of the backups to a higher number than 0 to ensure that they both run while Main is down? TL TimeLord04 Have TARDIS, will travel... Come along K-9! Join Calm Chaos |
Ulrich Metzner Send message Joined: 3 Jul 02 Posts: 1256 Credit: 13,565,513 RAC: 13 |
With the latest BOINC version this simply does *not* work! Seti set to 100 and Einstein set to 0: ... 30/11/2014 16:09:32 | Einstein@Home | Computation for task p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0 finished 30/11/2014 16:09:32 | Einstein@Home | Starting task PB0065_00451_76_1 30/11/2014 16:09:35 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_0 30/11/2014 16:09:35 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_1 30/11/2014 16:09:38 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_0 30/11/2014 16:09:38 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_1 30/11/2014 16:09:38 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_2 30/11/2014 16:09:38 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_3 30/11/2014 16:09:40 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_2 30/11/2014 16:09:40 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_3 30/11/2014 16:09:40 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_4 30/11/2014 16:09:40 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_5 30/11/2014 16:09:43 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_4 30/11/2014 16:09:43 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_5 30/11/2014 16:09:43 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_6 30/11/2014 16:09:43 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_7 30/11/2014 16:09:46 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_6 30/11/2014 16:09:46 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_7 30/11/2014 16:09:46 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_8 30/11/2014 16:09:46 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_9 30/11/2014 16:09:49 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_8 30/11/2014 16:09:49 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_9 30/11/2014 16:09:49 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_10 30/11/2014 16:09:49 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_11 30/11/2014 16:09:52 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_10 30/11/2014 16:09:52 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_11 30/11/2014 16:09:52 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_12 30/11/2014 16:09:52 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_13 30/11/2014 16:09:55 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_12 30/11/2014 16:09:55 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_13 30/11/2014 16:09:55 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_14 30/11/2014 16:09:55 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_15 30/11/2014 16:09:58 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_14 30/11/2014 16:09:58 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140101.G179.77-01.28.N.b6s0g0.00000_1984_0_15 30/11/2014 16:10:03 | Einstein@Home | Sending scheduler request: To report completed tasks. 30/11/2014 16:10:03 | Einstein@Home | Reporting 1 completed tasks 30/11/2014 16:10:03 | Einstein@Home | Not requesting tasks: don't need (CPU: job cache full; NVIDIA GPU: job cache full) 30/11/2014 16:10:07 | Einstein@Home | Scheduler request completed 30/11/2014 16:27:16 | Einstein@Home | Computation for task p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2 finished 30/11/2014 16:27:18 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_0 30/11/2014 16:27:18 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_1 30/11/2014 16:27:21 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_0 30/11/2014 16:27:21 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_1 30/11/2014 16:27:21 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_2 30/11/2014 16:27:21 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_3 30/11/2014 16:27:24 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_2 30/11/2014 16:27:24 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_3 30/11/2014 16:27:24 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_4 30/11/2014 16:27:24 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_5 30/11/2014 16:27:27 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_4 30/11/2014 16:27:27 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_5 30/11/2014 16:27:27 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_6 30/11/2014 16:27:27 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_7 30/11/2014 16:27:30 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_6 30/11/2014 16:27:30 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_7 30/11/2014 16:27:30 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_8 30/11/2014 16:27:30 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_9 30/11/2014 16:27:33 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_8 30/11/2014 16:27:33 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_9 30/11/2014 16:27:33 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_10 30/11/2014 16:27:33 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_11 30/11/2014 16:27:36 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_10 30/11/2014 16:27:36 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_11 30/11/2014 16:27:36 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_12 30/11/2014 16:27:36 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_13 30/11/2014 16:27:39 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_12 30/11/2014 16:27:39 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_13 30/11/2014 16:27:39 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_14 30/11/2014 16:27:39 | Einstein@Home | Started upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_15 30/11/2014 16:27:42 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_14 30/11/2014 16:27:42 | Einstein@Home | Finished upload of p2030.20140102.G177.41-01.19.C.b0s0g0.00000_544_2_15 30/11/2014 16:27:42 | Einstein@Home | Sending scheduler request: To report completed tasks. 30/11/2014 16:27:42 | Einstein@Home | Reporting 1 completed tasks 30/11/2014 16:27:42 | Einstein@Home | Not requesting tasks: don't need (CPU: job cache full; NVIDIA GPU: job cache full) 30/11/2014 16:27:47 | Einstein@Home | Scheduler request completed ... Now one of my GPUs sit idle unless i intervene myself. I consider this a BUG! :( Aloha, Uli |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14653 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Einstein can be set to 0 that's how I got it set. Beta should also have no problem but haven't tested it. Try it and see. My guess is that BOINC will start off by fetching mainly from one of the two backup projects - whichever one you've done least work for recently. But after a while, it'll settle down to taking it in turns. |
Phil Burden Send message Joined: 26 Oct 00 Posts: 264 Credit: 22,303,899 RAC: 0 |
The problem is that resource=0 doesn't work all the time. Sometimes it does, other times it doesn't. First Primegrid failed to get wu's, then Einstein, now I have both set to resource=0.1 P. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14653 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
I consider this a BUG! :( If by 'latest' you mean v7.4.27, then so does everybody else, and it's been reported as such. And it was fixed in fbc6e40dca8c4facd1e35a9daf0fefc4483e16e0: Client: fix bug that prevented work fetch for zero-share projects All we're waiting for is a new build. |
Ulrich Metzner Send message Joined: 3 Jul 02 Posts: 1256 Credit: 13,565,513 RAC: 13 |
Thanks, now i'm back to version 7.2.42 or is this version also buggy? :? Aloha, Uli |
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