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Message 1708521 - Posted: 4 Aug 2015, 15:32:16 UTC - in response to Message 1708508.  

Presstitutes

I'd never heard that word before reading the story. ;~)


Fascinating link. Thanks.
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Message 1708643 - Posted: 4 Aug 2015, 23:06:56 UTC - in response to Message 1708508.  
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Presstitutes
I'd never heard that word before reading the story. ;~)

Oh dear. It works here as well in swedish. presstituerade :)

Anyway. How can people in Oklahoma deny climat changes more than the average american?
More urban regions in the US are more concerned than Oklahoma...
Makes no sense.
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Message 1708673 - Posted: 5 Aug 2015, 0:39:09 UTC - in response to Message 1708643.  

How can people in Oklahoma deny climat changes more than the average american?

Education?
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Message 1708675 - Posted: 5 Aug 2015, 0:53:12 UTC - in response to Message 1708673.  
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How can people in Oklahoma deny climat changes more than the average american?

Education?

Or a complete lack of Education combined with being lost in the wilderness?...

Or does the world come to an end for them when their dinosaur-old local coal fired power station belches a last blast of pollution?


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Message 1708685 - Posted: 5 Aug 2015, 1:41:57 UTC - in response to Message 1708673.  

How can people in Oklahoma deny climat changes more than the average american?

Education?

Yes, education. The kind their little fiefdom of a state has decided it wants.
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Message 1708771 - Posted: 5 Aug 2015, 5:55:16 UTC - in response to Message 1708764.  

One person's Education. Is another's Indoctrination.

What a bipolar, all left or all right view. Doesn't allow for the slightest iota of center.
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Message 1708811 - Posted: 5 Aug 2015, 9:52:54 UTC - in response to Message 1708673.  
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How can people in Oklahoma deny climat changes more than the average american?

Education?

Oklahoma lies in the Bible Belt:)
Pray and God will sort it out.
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Message 1710333 - Posted: 9 Aug 2015, 10:38:47 UTC
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Up in Arms are they over Obama's new environment laws ...

Update the Co2 has finally after 7 months dropped below 400

This years max low should be apppx 398

66 years at current rates till it's to late and newborns will start to have smaller brains throu lack of O2

not my problem say they that dig the stuff up or it's all B/S no worry's burn more coal..........
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Message 1711798 - Posted: 12 Aug 2015, 16:23:09 UTC
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Is this a new age of Australian denial?


A good one from Gary Charpentier mis-posted in the Climate Solutions thread:

Australia, out in front of the world again.


Note from that:

Australia’s new greenhouse-gas reduction plan has been slammed by critics as woefully inadequate...


Another summary is:

Australia carbon plan sends shudder through neighbours

... Australia has chosen to use 2005 as its base year, coincidentally the year its emissions peaked. But if you make a comparison with 1990 as a baseline year, a clearer picture emerges. ...

... The only countries to do less than Australia in this analysis, are Canada and New Zealand.

Commentators were quick to put the boot in to the Abbott plan. The message from Australia's neighbours in the Pacific was even stronger...



That looks to be quite a cynical game of creatively recreating the 'goal posts' and ignoring reality to somehow try to hide reducing the reductions in Australian pollution.


Perhaps we need to feed him to: Kim Jong-un and the forests?

... Reports of the killing of Choe Yong-gon for disagreeing with Kim Jong-un's forestry policy bring into focus a programme that is closely followed by the leader.

The country says it is suffering its worst drought in a century, and that close to a third of rice paddies have dried up.

Radio Free Asia says the country launched an intensive "greenification" programme last year, with more power granted to every province's forestry department. And in a speech in February, Kim Jong-un delivered a speech in which he said: "At present, the forests of the country can be said to have reached a crossroads - whether to perish for ever or to be restored."

He also criticised officials for seeking to respond to problems caused by flooding, rather than prevent flooding in the first place by planting more trees.




All a game of corruption and the rest of the world be damned?

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Message 1713886 - Posted: 16 Aug 2015, 12:51:21 UTC - in response to Message 1713874.  

Climate change is so bad, National Geographic has had to radically redesign its maps.

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/climate-change-is-so-bad-national-geographic-has-had-to-radically-redesign-its-maps--Zyn4Q2Au4l


And still the Deniers deny.

Madness? Or financial corruption? Or political corruption? Or just madness?


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Message 1714135 - Posted: 16 Aug 2015, 23:58:00 UTC

Tony Abbot heads into a villainous isolation?....


Tony Abbott is a climate change 'villain'...



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Message 1714144 - Posted: 17 Aug 2015, 0:18:27 UTC

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/8/14/american-conservation-hurts-biodiversity-natives.html
'Violent displacement' in the name of conservation must end, group says

A campaign launched this week to prevent the further spread of the American preservationist model of conservation.
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The view that any human disturbance is inherently damaging to the environment results in decreased biodiversity and human rights abuses as tribal peoples are pushed off their lands, the rights group says.

“The conservation movement was born in the USA, when tribal people were violently evicted from their ancestral homelands in order to create money-making national parks,” according to Survival International, the group that launched the campaign on Wednesday.

“The legacy created in the United States lives on,” the group added. “The illegal, violent displacement of tribal peoples is being replicated around the world in the name of conservation.”
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"Often, when [Westerners] think about the value of nature, they think about it as apart from human society — a cathedral view, something to be revered and maybe spend time in it hiking or bird watching — but not as something that is intimately and historically related to human beings," West said.

Sounds like a description that a warmer could use in describing the cataclysm they see and used as their justification for their green profiteering.
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Message 1714487 - Posted: 17 Aug 2015, 15:14:21 UTC - in response to Message 1714440.  
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From the Union of Concerned Scientists (founded 1969).

"For nearly three decades, many of the world's largest fossil fuel companies have knowingly worked to deceive the public about the realities and risks of climate change.

Their deceptive tactics are now highlighted in this set of seven "deception dossiers"—collections of internal company and trade association documents that have either been leaked to the public, come to light through lawsuits, or been disclosed through Freedom of Information (FOIA) requests.

Each collection provides an illuminating inside look at this coordinated campaign of deception, an effort underwritten by ExxonMobil, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, BP, Shell, Peabody Energy, and other members of the fossil fuel industry."


Download Climate Deception Dossiers full report (PDF) from UCS's website. Source documents available for download at bottom of page.
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Message 1714536 - Posted: 17 Aug 2015, 16:57:49 UTC - in response to Message 1714528.  

Fraud on both sides.

Yep.

If both sides (ends) are fraud, does that make everything in the middle a fraud too?
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Message 1715178 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 7:54:52 UTC - in response to Message 1625791.  
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No el nino this year . Water is cooling making for a prediction of a mild hurricane season here in the Americas. Just yesterday on National news the weather alarmists were obsessing over a "tropical storm" that had 40 miles per hour winds (that's about 65 kilometers per hour for youse commies).
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Message 1715216 - Posted: 19 Aug 2015, 9:12:01 UTC - in response to Message 1715178.  
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William i'm not shore if your talking Pacific or Atlantic oceans but this link is the best one for you about El Nino or La Nina as they are n charge of the data

http://sealevel.jpl.nasa.gov/science/elninopdo/latestdata/

i checked with the SOI (Southern Oscillation Index ) and it's well and truly in the red so no end to the current El -Nino for at least 12 months in the Pacific Ocean
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Message 1716439 - Posted: 21 Aug 2015, 13:12:11 UTC
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Last month was not just the hottest July on record. Since July is “the warmest month of the year globally,” NOAA’s latest monthly State of the Climate Report, notes that July 2015 “was also the highest among all 1627 months in the record that began in January 1880.”
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/08/20/3693501/hottest-month-global-warming/
2014 was the hottest year on record. 2015 will easily top that. And it is entirely possible 2016 could beat 2015.

The long-awaited speed up in global warming appears to starting now.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/08/17/3691712/godzilla-el-nino-global-warming/

I think I will have a cold beer. Hmm. But that is CO2 emission...
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Message 1716461 - Posted: 21 Aug 2015, 14:12:34 UTC - in response to Message 1715346.  
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El nino, doesn't mean NO Tropical Storms in the Atlantic Basin. Just a reduction.


I wouldn't know about the Atlantic Clyde , to far away only the Pacific and west cost of America . Where heading into a very dry patch now in the southern states so the west coast of America mite start to see there drought break now .
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