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Message 1605398 - Posted: 25 Nov 2014, 17:31:33 UTC - in response to Message 1605369.  

Is "evil" no more than the ultimate form of "selfishness"?

The supreme example of where the needs of the "many" are nothing compared to the needs of the "one". Be those needs financial, sexual, a desire to dominate or otherwise.

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Good point TA... The word Ego does have an evil connotation.

There are Healthy Egos and Unhealthy Egos.

How does one distinguish?



Easy, like we distinguish Good and Evil (?)

So it is all a matter of perspective.



I guess so... And again, also a matter of the choices we make. I would like to refer to the biblical story of Adam and Eve. Eve chose to bite the bad apple. From our (human) point of view it Is all a matter of perspective. I remain with my statement tho that Good and Evil are some kind of forces, one might call it entities too, that influence us. The impact of the influence depends again on how influenceable one is. Does that make any sense?
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Message 1605430 - Posted: 25 Nov 2014, 22:58:44 UTC - in response to Message 1605398.  

Is "evil" no more than the ultimate form of "selfishness"?
The supreme example of where the needs of the "many" are nothing compared to the needs of the "one". Be those needs financial, sexual, a desire to dominate or otherwise.
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Good point TA... The word Ego does have an evil connotation.

There are Healthy Egos and Unhealthy Egos.
How does one distinguish?

Easy, like we distinguish Good and Evil (?)

So it is all a matter of perspective.

I guess so... And again, also a matter of the choices we make. I would like to refer to the biblical story of Adam and Eve. Eve chose to bite the bad apple. From our (human) point of view it Is all a matter of perspective. I remain with my statement tho that Good and Evil are some kind of forces, one might call it entities too, that influence us. The impact of the influence depends again on how influenceable one is. Does that make any sense?

That make sense. It also means that humans are not born evil.
The choices we make is however a long story...
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Message 1607489 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 0:59:49 UTC

Quantifying evil
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/30/measuring-evil-noted-psychiatrist-seeks-tool-to-quantify-wickedness/
A leading forensic psychiatrist who has testified in some of America’s most infamous violent crime cases seeks the nation’s collective opinion on these and other imponderables to complete more than 13 years of pioneering research aimed at codifying the concept of evil for the justice system.

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Message 1607498 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 1:13:28 UTC - in response to Message 1607489.  

Quantifying evil
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/30/measuring-evil-noted-psychiatrist-seeks-tool-to-quantify-wickedness/
A leading forensic psychiatrist who has testified in some of America’s most infamous violent crime cases seeks the nation’s collective opinion on these and other imponderables to complete more than 13 years of pioneering research aimed at codifying the concept of evil for the justice system.



Codifying the concept of evil, interesting, yet so in need of an empirical explanation...
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Message 1607649 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 11:12:27 UTC

Meh its basically an opinion poll asking people what they think is more evil. It has no validity beyond the population its designed to serve.
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Message 1607706 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 16:17:48 UTC - in response to Message 1607689.  

Perhaps Life Experience. IE: Living many years/decades with these people. Give some validity to this poll.

Thats not how statistics work.
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Message 1607733 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 17:55:46 UTC - in response to Message 1607714.  

However, the results may be interesting, and have some validity.

Sure, I never said it didnt have any validity. But if you are asking Americans what they think is 'evil' behavior then you can only apply the resulting definition to Americans. It should never be used to tell other people from other countries that what they do is 'evil'.
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Message 1607735 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 17:57:20 UTC - in response to Message 1607733.  

However, the results may be interesting, and have some validity.

Sure, I never said it didnt have any validity. But if you are asking Americans what they think is 'evil' behavior then you can only apply the resulting definition to Americans. It should never be used to tell other people from other countries that what they do is 'evil'.

But what if it proved they were?
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Message 1607749 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 18:24:35 UTC - in response to Message 1607735.  

But what if it proved they were?

Look if you ask Americans about their opinions, all you get are opinions. Of course you can say that other people commit acts that Americans are of the opinion constitute evil, but so what? Thats their own business.
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Message 1607752 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 18:33:13 UTC - in response to Message 1607749.  

But what if it proved they were?

Look if you ask Americans about their opinions, all you get are opinions. Of course you can say that other people commit acts that Americans are of the opinion constitute evil, but so what? Thats their own business.

So evil is an opinion. You can't put a ruler down and measure it. It doesn't exist except because someone else looks. Sounds about like a cat in a box.
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Message 1607830 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 21:25:06 UTC - in response to Message 1607749.  

But what if it proved they were?

Look if you ask Americans about their opinions, all you get are opinions. Of course you can say that other people commit acts that Americans are of the opinion constitute evil, but so what? Thats their own business.


Opinions are like a*******, everyone has one. statistics are similar in that they are only useful to bureaucrats & politicians. For everyone else, they mean squat.
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Message 1607834 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 21:40:01 UTC - in response to Message 1607830.  

statistics are similar in that they are only useful to bureaucrats & politicians.

Tell that to the LHC crew ....
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Message 1607835 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 21:44:46 UTC

Damn Netherlands Person, ifn dere B No Not United At All States of Amerika, you'd Have Frakkin' nuttin' to do All Day. Sames wif most of youse Foreigners.

Glad 2B of Service.

Got Incineration?

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Message 1607841 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 21:50:54 UTC - in response to Message 1607835.  

Damn Netherlands Person, ifn dere B No Not United At All States of Amerika, you'd Have Frakkin' nuttin' to do All Day. Sames wif most of youse Foreigners.

Glad 2B of Service.

Got Incineration?

Yep.

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This persons postings are borderline racist/sexist/xenophobic. Incineration? Youse foreigners? Damn Netherlands etc? He/she seems to get away with it by writing in this weird, nonsensical way.
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Message 1607852 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 22:01:37 UTC

No Sweet Brenden, The Foreigners Are Getting Away Wif 'it'.

So, Please, Put Away Your Looking For
'racist/sexist/xenophobic'
, etc. In EVERYTHING I Post, And Get A Grip.

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Message 1607854 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 22:04:25 UTC - in response to Message 1607852.  

No Sweet Brenden, The Foreigners Are Getting Away Wif 'it'.

So, Please, Put Away Your Looking For
'racist/sexist/xenophobic'
, etc. In EVERYTHING I Post, And Get A Grip.

Yep.

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Foreigners are getting away with what? And what does "Got incineration" actually mean? You have an intriguing language usage but I find it hard to follow.
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Message 1607856 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 22:07:55 UTC - in response to Message 1607854.  

Don't worry about it. He's the projects "Court Jester".
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Message 1607868 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 22:16:04 UTC

Don't Worry Sirius BahBahBahBbbbbbbbbbbbBBBBbbbbbb, He'll FigUR 'it' Out, One Day. Probably While playing Solitaire or Sumthang Like dat, or sittin' on His Throne.

Yep. Life fO some, Ends In Incineration, but dats not Wat I meant.

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Message 1607879 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 22:24:34 UTC

Playing Solitaire gives insights at times. Humans are not born evil IMHO.
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Message 1607901 - Posted: 1 Dec 2014, 22:42:46 UTC

Playing Solitaire gives insights at times.


Exactly. I get mico-second to second, memory flashes of Great GOoDness. Basically, the Only Way I Can Have Them. I'm sure Solitaire has Many Beneficial Benefits for The Brain.

And Sitting On The Throne, well, When I Plop, Any Insight 'is' Possible.

Play fO yO Brain, Broheim, Broheimette. Or Not.


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