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EMPATHY:

The intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.

I DON'T believe anyone, in this Thread, Identifies with Rapist's. Am I incorrect?

I DON'T believe anyone, in this Thread, is Vicariously Experiencing what a Rapist Experiences. Am I incorrect?

I DON'T believe anyone, in this Thread, is Experiencing The Thoughts or Attitudes, of a Rapist. Am I incorrect?

Perhaps this is just a misunderstanding of the meaning of an English Word.

Are many of the Poster's misunderstanding and misusing the word Empathy, and really mean Understanding, Sympathy, etc.?

Then their Posts would make sense.

If I am incorrect in this possibility: God help us.

See, this is why you dont get empathy. Because you have dehumanized rapists, you completely define rapists by the fact that they raped someone. As such, when you talk about empathizing with a rapists, in your eyes it means that those people are empathizing with rape.

In reality, people who empathize with rapists have not dehumanized rapists and recognize that they are people who have thoughts, feelings, emotions and aspects that have nothing to do with rape. In other words, they do not let rape be the sole defining factor of someones personality.

It would be wise to recognize that its utterly ridiculous to define people based on one single aspect of their being. You don't define people by what color they like or what sports team they root for either, so why would you let someones crime be the only defining factor for that person?

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EMPATHY:
The intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.

I DON'T believe anyone, in this Thread, Identifies with Rapist's. Am I incorrect?
I DON'T believe anyone, in this Thread, is Vicariously Experiencing what a Rapist Experiences. Am I incorrect?
I DON'T believe anyone, in this Thread, is Experiencing The Thoughts or Attitudes, of a Rapist. Am I incorrect?
Perhaps this is just a misunderstanding of the meaning of an English Word.
Are many of the Poster's misunderstanding and misusing the word Empathy, and really mean Understanding, Sympathy, etc.?
Then their Posts would make sense.
If I am incorrect in this possibility: God help us.

You are correct.
But you are also "Politically Incorrect"
I have learnt that's a big difference.
Basicly it's means "Shut up and play along" :)

Мишель just proved you correct (read his previous Post).
His response, and other's, are akin to Right Wing Puritans.
PC is just an exercise in Left Wing Puritanism.
Silly, unthinking, name calling, bullying.
janneseti...
We DO understand them.

Sorry. I dont understand your comment.
Who are "we" and who are "them" and what is it to be understood?

This is what humanity is capable of:

forgiveness and reconciliation, the Spirit of Enniskillen

Gordon Wilson lived very much on this planet.

"I bear no ill will. I bear no grudge"

Very powerful.

No "ill will" against those who have Brutally Raped and Murdered YOUR Infant Child?

After that has happened to YOUR Child: Then, and only then, will you have any real understanding.

Or will you still have Empathy FOR this vile and evil person, who has slaughtered YOUR Child.

Well if my child had been raped or sexually assaulted I would hardly publicly announce it would I? There is too much shame and stigma associated with it.

So your demand that anyone with a child who had been through that should use such a horrific event to make a point on the internet is more than silly. It is not one that people would be willing to admit to for the sake of the child who has to live with something like that for the rest of their lives and doesn't deserve to have it posted all over the internet.

How do you expect people to respond to your statement Clyde? The fact that you made it shows that you don't even have empathy for the parents of victims.

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Мишель just proved you correct (read his previous Post).

His response, and other's, are akin to Right Wing Puritans.

PC is just an exercise in Left Wing Puritanism.

Silly, unthinking, name calling, bullying.

janneseti...

We DO understand them.

Dafuq are you talking about? I never called you PC incorrect, now did I?

I said you dehumanized criminals and you have. After all, you are the ones that defining people based on one singular aspect of their entire being.

This is what humanity is capable of:

forgiveness and reconciliation, the Spirit of Enniskillen

Gordon Wilson lived very much on this planet.

"I bear no ill will. I bear no grudge"

Very powerful.

No "ill will" against those who have Brutally Raped and Murdered YOUR Infant Child?

After that has happened to YOUR Child: Then, and only then, will you have any real understanding.

Or will you still have Empathy FOR this vile and evil person, who has slaughtered YOUR Child.

Well if my child had been raped or sexually assaulted I would hardly publicly announce it would I? There is too much shame and stigma associated with it.

So your demand that anyone with a child who had been through that should use such a horrific event to make a point on the internet is more than silly. It is not one that people would be willing to admit to for the sake of the child who has to live with something like that for the rest of their lives and doesn't deserve to have it posted all over the internet.

How do you expect people to respond to your statement Clyde? The fact that you made it shows that you don't even have empathy for the parents of victims.

Again...

Not to the point, and now INCREASED name calling and accusations.

Understand one thing. I do understand The Left's Technique in discussions, which is:

Continue to increase Name Calling and Bullying when The Left is losing the Intellectual Portion of the discussion.

Then have the Innocent Accused respond to Unthinking Left Wing Attacks.

No. I don't play that childish game. I just state The Truth of The Left, which is the exact same as The Right.

You guys are easy. Keep it up.

I see yet again you have missed the point.

You don't know the stories of people on this forum, and a lot of them are never going to tell you. If you are going to make points try to remember that you may well be accusing the very people that you are pretending to defend.

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Мишель just proved you correct (read his previous Post).
His response, and other's, are akin to Right Wing Puritans.
PC is just an exercise in Left Wing Puritanism.
Silly, unthinking, name calling, bullying.
janneseti...
We DO understand them.

Dafuq are you talking about? I never called you PC incorrect, now did I?
I said you dehumanized criminals and you have. After all, you are the ones that defining people based on one singular aspect of their entire being.

There are criminals thats not following basic human rules.
Quite simple really.
They should be dehumanized and they are.

There are criminals thats not following basic human rules.
Quite simple really.
They should be dehumanized and they are.

Okay, so you are then completely fine with what ISIS does in Iraq and Syria. After all, they state that the basic human rule for everyone is that they should follow their particular strand of religion. People who don't do that are then dehumanized and murdered, because they broke the basic human rule. And as you stated, thats exactly what ISIS should do. So basically, you support ISIS in their quest to achieve Salafist dominance in the Middle East and the ethnic cleansing of anyone who isn't a Salafist. Well aren't you a lovely person.

"Oh wait! Thats not what I meant!" you say. No? And why is that? Because ISIS are Muslims and Arabs and their basic rules for humanity offend you? Well okay, but your basic rules for humanity that you agree with offend them. And given that there is no objective basis for either your or their rules, both of them are equally (in)valid. Of course, you can decide that your rules are better for no other reason than that you are more comfortable with them, but that makes you an imperialist who wants to impose his Western values on other people. We have been down that route before and it did not end well for anyone.

See, this is what happens when you start dehumanizing people. You start out with dehumanizing just the 'bad people' but before you know it, you end up with a group like ISIS, or some other extremist group that does some really horrible things to other people. There is just one solution to this problem, and that is to never dehumanize anyone ever. That costs you nothing, and unless you're sociopath, its not even that hard.

There are criminals thats not following basic human rules.
Quite simple really.
They should be dehumanized and they are.

Okay, so you are then completely fine with what ISIS does in Iraq and Syria. After all, they state that the basic human rule for everyone is that they should follow their particular strand of religion. People who don't do that are then dehumanized and murdered, because they broke the basic human rule. And as you stated, thats exactly what ISIS should do. So basically, you support ISIS in their quest to achieve Salafist dominance in the Middle East and the ethnic cleansing of anyone who isn't a Salafist. Well aren't you a lovely person.

"Oh wait! Thats not what I meant!" you say. No? And why is that? Because ISIS are Muslims and Arabs and their basic rules for humanity offend you? Well okay, but your basic rules for humanity that you agree with offend them. And given that there is no objective basis for either your or their rules, both of them are equally (in)valid. Of course, you can decide that your rules are better for no other reason than that you are more comfortable with them, but that makes you an imperialist who wants to impose his Western values on other people. We have been down that route before and it did not end well for anyone.

See, this is what happens when you start dehumanizing people. You start out with dehumanizing just the 'bad people' but before you know it, you end up with a group like ISIS, or some other extremist group that does some really horrible things to other people. There is just one solution to this problem, and that is to never dehumanize anyone ever. That costs you nothing, and unless you're sociopath, its not even that hard.

For heavens sake.
Now you are off topic.
ISIS and the Islamic State are not humanitarians.
Most Muslims despise their methods
Please back to the topic. Are humans born evil.

For heavens sake.
Now you are off topic.
ISIS and the Islamic State are not humanitarians.
Most Muslims despise their methods
Please back to the topic. Are humans born evil.

Perhaps thats because most Muslims don't want to dehumanize other people. Unlike you.

For heavens sake.
Now you are off topic.
ISIS and the Islamic State are not humanitarians.
Most Muslims despise their methods
Please back to the topic. Are humans born evil.

Perhaps thats because most Muslims don't want to dehumanize other people. Unlike you.

+1 Janne.

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For heavens sake.
Now you are off topic.
ISIS and the Islamic State are not humanitarians.
Most Muslims despise their methods
Please back to the topic. Are humans born evil.

Perhaps thats because most Muslims don't want to dehumanize other people. Unlike you.

I do not dehumanize other people.
Why should I? So far I havent been assaulted to a such degree that I would complain.
But others do.
I have all the empathy for those victims.
None for the perpetrators.
Please remember that we are discussing EVIL persons here.

For heavens sake.
Now you are off topic.
ISIS and the Islamic State are not humanitarians.
Most Muslims despise their methods
Please back to the topic. Are humans born evil.

Perhaps thats because most Muslims don't want to dehumanize other people. Unlike you.

I do not dehumanize other people.
Why should I? So far I havent been assaulted to a such degree that I would complain.
But others do.
I have all the empathy for those victims.
None for the perpetrators.
Please remember that we are discussing EVIL persons here.

Still persons though. To treat a person as less than a person is still evil, no matter what they've done.

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For heavens sake.
Now you are off topic.
ISIS and the Islamic State are not humanitarians.
Most Muslims despise their methods
Please back to the topic. Are humans born evil.

Perhaps thats because most Muslims don't want to dehumanize other people. Unlike you.

I do not dehumanize other people.
Why should I? So far I havent been assaulted to a such degree that I would complain.
But others do.
I have all the empathy for those victims.
None for the perpetrators.
Please remember that we are discussing EVIL persons here.

Still persons though. To treat a person as less than a person is still evil, no matter what they've done.

+1

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For heavens sake.
Now you are off topic.
ISIS and the Islamic State are not humanitarians.
Most Muslims despise their methods
Please back to the topic. Are humans born evil.

Perhaps thats because most Muslims don't want to dehumanize other people. Unlike you.

I do not dehumanize other people.
Why should I? So far I havent been assaulted to a such degree that I would complain.
But others do.
I have all the empathy for those victims.
None for the perpetrators.
Please remember that we are discussing EVIL persons here.

Still persons though. To treat a person as less than a person is still evil, no matter what they've done.

I hear some echoes here.
Political Correctness:)

For heavens sake.
Now you are off topic.
ISIS and the Islamic State are not humanitarians.
Most Muslims despise their methods
Please back to the topic. Are humans born evil.

Perhaps thats because most Muslims don't want to dehumanize other people. Unlike you.

I do not dehumanize other people.
Why should I? So far I havent been assaulted to a such degree that I would complain.
But others do.
I have all the empathy for those victims.
None for the perpetrators.
Please remember that we are discussing EVIL persons here.

Still persons though. To treat a person as less than a person is still evil, no matter what they've done.

I hear some echoes here.
Political Correctness:)

+1 (I keep on +1'ing tonight:)

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My wish is that everyone is living up to this standard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule
I dont think it will happen though.
Or perhaps:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVg2EJvvlF8

I see here we have one camp that see the word rapist and all they can visualize in their mind is the act happening 24/7/365. That is the only way their comments can make sense. I suspect that is the same way a KKK member thinks of high pigment humans. Essentially a nearly uncontrollable hate.

The issue here is rapist is a human. Period the end. {If you want that in math, the set humans includes a member rapist)

If you don't empathize for humans, fine. Seems that one side claims criminals are incapable of that. Does that mean that all who can't empathize for humans are criminal?

Seems I started this by quoting the Eighth Amendment, so here is is again:

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Janneseti had just posted the Golden Rule.

One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself

So I assume that those wishing cruel and unusual punishments inflicted on humans with them for themselves. Perhaps they know something about themselves we don't.

I hear conservative fundamentalists argue for an eye for an eye and they ten seconds later scream how horrible sharia law is. It appears as if they are having some form of psychotic episode violently arguing both for and against the same thing.

Put them together:
Nearly uncontrollable hate
Inability to empathize for humans
Wishing for cruel and unusual punishments
Violently arguing both for and against the same thing

I wonder who society needs protection from?

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I see here we have one camp that see the word rapist and all they can visualize in their mind is the act happening 24/7/365. That is the only way their comments can make sense. I suspect that is the same way a KKK member thinks of high pigment humans. Essentially a nearly uncontrollable hate.

The issue here is rapist is a human. Period the end. {If you want that in math, the set humans includes a member rapist)

If you don't empathize for humans, fine. Seems that one side claims criminals are incapable of that. Does that mean that all who can't empathize for humans are criminal?

Seems I started this by quoting the Eighth Amendment, so here is is again:

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Janneseti had just posted the Golden Rule.

One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself

So I assume that those wishing cruel and unusual punishments inflicted on humans with them for themselves. Perhaps they know something about themselves we don't.

I hear conservative fundamentalists argue for an eye for an eye and they ten seconds later scream how horrible sharia law is. It appears as if they are having some form of psychotic episode violently arguing both for and against the same thing.

Put them together:
Nearly uncontrollable hate
Inability to empathize for humans
Wishing for cruel and unusual punishments
Violently arguing both for and against the same thing

I wonder who society needs protection from?

From the 'Aliens' according to some people...

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I wonder who society needs protection from?

Society needs protection.

I do not dehumanize other people.
Why should I? So far I havent been assaulted to a such degree that I would complain.
But others do.
I have all the empathy for those victims.
None for the perpetrators.
Please remember that we are discussing EVIL persons here.

Yes you do. You just did in this very post. Thats dehumanization.

And evil people do not exist. No one is just solely evil for the sake of being evil. Thats only something a person who dehumanizes others can claim. But if dehumanization is 'evil' and you dehumanize other people, well, what does that say about you?