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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30692 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
If someone points a gun at you & fires 8 rounds, would that be classed as attempted murder (or if you're killed - Murder)? We can't damage their fragile ego now can we? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24881 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
For those who argue for gun control, read this & weep... 8 Children found dead in Cairns, Australia - reportedly stabbed |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34930 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
For those who argue for gun control, read this & weep... And very likely another illegal firearm involved again. :-( |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24881 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
It is believed that they were stabbed but police not confirming anything until the coroner's report is made available. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30692 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
America has a crazy control problem ... http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/12/19/us-appeals-court-deems-gun-law-unconstitutional/ A federal appeals court in Cincinnati deemed a law unconstitutional that kept a Michigan man who was committed to a mental institution from owning a gun. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24881 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30692 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
America has a crazy control problem ... Uh, no. Until they rewrite the law (I assume they will) any mentally ill person can buy a gun. The headline is technically correct, it just doesn't make the assumption. Today the law is not in effect, in the sixth circuit. |
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Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
Still not apparent? http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/police-officer-in-missouri-shot-killed-man-who-pulled-gun/ar-BBhaJGD Will he immediately shot and kill boy with Baseball Bat? To stop man with Baseball Bat is enough to shoot his legs and not take his life... |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
I would aslo add the hand shot and or the shoulder shot. Both Hollywood and TV BS. If some one is intent on doing you physical harm or death. You dont wound him. You end the threat. Center of mass is where you aim. And even that cant guarentee you win. Humans can take terrible damage and still kill you. [/quote] Old James |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
'Leg Shots' are a Hollywood Fantasy. Except that in other countries the police does get trained to aim for the legs. I know the Dutch police is trained like that (although not in cases where they are charged by a suspect). |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
'Leg Shots' are a Hollywood Fantasy. Sweden, Finland, Norway and Canada have a "gun Culture" where many peoples owns guns just like the US. But not so many fatal shootings. Strange... |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
Is 'Gun Culture' Europe the same? In 2013 it was found 87 cases of lethal violence in Sweden. How many of those are gun related I dont know. Most of them are probably killed by knifes. About 10 millions are living in Sweden. In 75 percent of cases of lethal violence, the involved know each other. Police killings are about one per year. Chicago has less than 3 millions citizens. If the 'US killing culture' where about the same as Sweden it would be less than 250 victims per year! |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
The Dutch are a Gun Culture, where over 100 Million People Own Guns? Yes and no. The Netherlands doesn't have a gun problem, nor do we have so many people live in abject poverty that gang's have become such a major problem. And as a result, police are in far less situations where guns become a necessary option. On top of that, police are trained to deescalate first and when they shoot a civilian there will automatically be an investigation to see if it was justified. That said, the Dutch police is still trained to shoot at center mass in cases where they are under attack and their life is in danger. Same as the American police. The difference here is that they are also trained to aim for the legs in cases where they are not in danger. Are you saying that this can't be done in the US? That American police officers are somehow fundamentally incapable of being trained in this manner? Because I don't buy that. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
The Dutch are a Gun Culture, where over 100 Million People Own Guns? Trained to aim for the legs? Yes of course but in a real situation? I'm also trained as a conscript when doing guard duty to aim for the legs. But I'm quite sure that in a real situation I would aim for the body. No time to Think... |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
The use of 'Deadly Physical Force' (shooting), can ONLY be used, in America, to Protect One's, or Another's LIFE. Under certain circumstances yes. Besides, while technically in the US officers are only allowed to shoot when its necessary to protect one's life or the lives of bystanders, reality has shown that police shoot people who are not a threat to anyone. Including young children. The police has legally gotten away with murder on numerous occasions. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
The use of 'Deadly Physical Force' (shooting), can ONLY be used, in America, to Protect One's, or Another's LIFE. What? The police has legally gotten away with murder on numerous occasions? I hope you know what the legal definition of murder and manslaughter is. In the western world it's the same definition and law enforcement is about the same. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
What? The police has legally gotten away with murder on numerous occasions? Well fine, they get away with manslaughter. Not much better really. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
What? The police has legally gotten away with murder on numerous occasions? Have you not been paying attention to the news lately? Didn't read the New York times for I dunno? the past few months? Not aware of why there are protests all over the country? Yeah, those cases of manslaughter. |
janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 |
What? The police has legally gotten away with murder on numerous occasions? What would you expect? Law enforcement without the ability to protect themself and to protect innocent Citizens? Yes it's sometimes manslaughter but the alternative... |
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