Pile of rocks.

Now if they redid the outer limestone layer, that might be art.

Well Erosion and several thousands years...

It just needed a bit of maintenance.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

When it comes to the question of what defines a work as art, i'd answer it with a question.
"Does this need explaining?"

Examples:

Constable's The Haywain

This picture needs no explanation or justification as to what or why it is. This is art.

Man Ray's Cadeau

From the Tate website:
one of the famous icons of the surrealist movement. It consists of an everyday continental flat iron of the sort that had to be heated on a stove, transformed here into a non-functional, disturbing object by the addition of a single row of fourteen nails. The transformation of an item of ordinary domestic life into a strange, unnameable object with sadistic connotations exemplified the power of the object within dada and surrealism to escape the rule of logic and the conventional identification of words and objects.
That they felt the need to tack on an explanation shows this is not art.

True art speaks for itself.

That's my opinion anyway, you may now start throwing chairs.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

When it comes to the question of what defines a work as art, i'd answer it with a question.
"Does this need explaining?"

Examples:

Man Ray's Cadeau

From the Tate website:
one of the famous icons of the surrealist movement. It consists of an everyday continental flat iron of the sort that had to be heated on a stove, transformed here into a non-functional, disturbing object by the addition of a single row of fourteen nails. The transformation of an item of ordinary domestic life into a strange, unnameable object with sadistic connotations exemplified the power of the object within dada and surrealism to escape the rule of logic and the conventional identification of words and objects.
That they felt the need to tack on an explanation shows this is not art.

True art speaks for itself.

I have been to Tate Gallery.
Dont remember the iron though:)
Lots of Turner paintings.
And a weird statue of a female.
But the Moral Majority in USA doesn't allow me to speak about it:(

Hang on. Tate Gallery is not in the USA. Its in London Europe:)
So here it is.

Art, like beauty, is only in the eye of the beholder. ;-)

Cheers.

I get back pain just looking at that sculpture!

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

Man Ray's Cadeau
http://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/man-ray-cadeau-t07883/text-summary

Reg Butler Girl on a Round Base 1968–72
http://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/butler-girl-on-a-round-base-t07793/text-summary

30 years since I saw that Girl on a Round Base.
Still remember it:)

Art, like beauty, is only in the eye of the beholder. ;-)

Cheers.

Ugh, I hate that sentiment. It robs art of all possible meaning and significance. It reduces everything into art as long as there is one person to claim that some object is art 'in his opinion'. It turns even the most base, vulgar stupid unintelligent nonsense into 'art' because everyone has an opinion.

I rather have that a bunch of people don't get it and don't like it if it means art refers to something that has a little more meaning, requires a little more effort to understand and therefor means something more than just looking pretty according to a bunch of people.

Art, like beauty, is only in the eye of the beholder. ;-)

Cheers.

Ugh, I hate that sentiment. It robs art of all possible meaning and significance. It reduces everything into art as long as there is one person to claim that some object is art 'in his opinion'. It turns even the most base, vulgar stupid unintelligent nonsense into 'art' because everyone has an opinion.

I rather have that a bunch of people don't get it and don't like it if it means art refers to something that has a little more meaning, requires a little more effort to understand and therefor means something more than just looking pretty according to a bunch of people.

Art is not always meant to please the audience.
I think you have missed the point about ART.
We dont live in Nazi Germany or Russia!

When it comes to the question of what defines a work as art, i'd answer it with a question.
"Does this need explaining?"

Examples:

Constable's The Haywain

This picture needs no explanation or justification as to what or why it is. This is art.

Man Ray's Cadeau

From the Tate website:
one of the famous icons of the surrealist movement. It consists of an everyday continental flat iron of the sort that had to be heated on a stove, transformed here into a non-functional, disturbing object by the addition of a single row of fourteen nails. The transformation of an item of ordinary domestic life into a strange, unnameable object with sadistic connotations exemplified the power of the object within dada and surrealism to escape the rule of logic and the conventional identification of words and objects.
That they felt the need to tack on an explanation shows this is not art.

True art speaks for itself.

That's my opinion anyway, you may now start throwing chairs.

Hmm, actually, I do need an explanation why your painting is art and why the other thing is not. I mean sure, its a beautiful picture, no doubt about that, and yes, its technically well done. But why is it art? Or, why is this art when my vacation pictures are not?

You say it doesn't need a justification, but why not? Because everyone who has a working set of eyes instantly sees whats on the painting? But everyone with a working set of eyes also instantly knows what the other thing is. Its a iron with nails attached to it. But where the iron with nails makes you think, makes you reconsider certain preconceptions you have about both irons and nails, how combining the two transforms two common innocent household items into some pretty mean looking object, what does that painting do? Show you a nice picture? Perhaps paint a somewhat idealized image of what was? And whats special about it? There are thousands of paintings that are just like that. Its not unique, its not intelligent, its nothing more than a really nice picture. So why is it art when my vacation photos are not art?

So why is it art when my vacation photos are not art?

Maybe the photos are ART. We have not seen them:)
At least to your Childrens and generations to come.
Who knows?

I'd say your holiday snaps are more art than a sadistic iron.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

I'd say your holiday snaps are more art than a sadistic iron.

Why?

I'd say your holiday snaps are more art than a sadistic iron.

Why?

Normally the artist have to die before being acclaimed:(
It's only Investors who are going rich in the art business.
There are exceptions but very few.
Mozart was a very poor man when he died.
So was Rembrandt.

I'd say your holiday snaps are more art than a sadistic iron.

Why?

Normally the artist have to die before being acclaimed:(
It's only Investors who are going rich in the art business.
There are exceptions but very few.
Mozart was a very poor man when he died.
So was Rembrandt.

So was Seppe, he was a musician and poet.

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I'd say your holiday snaps are more art than a sadistic iron.

Why?

Normally the artist have to die before being acclaimed:(
It's only Investors who are going rich in the art business.
There are exceptions but very few.
Mozart was a very poor man when he died.
So was Rembrandt.

So was Seppe, he was a musician and poet.

Poetry is ART:) But make a living of it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVH5BD58OUQ
http://www.seppegebruers.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7N3wA7ItKQ

I think for something to be considered art it has to be created by an artist. The original subject of this discussion, as I understand it, was just found and removed from it's natural surroundings, not altered in any discernable way by the "artist". Now what Michelangelo did with a rock is art.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

I think for something to be considered art it has to be created by an artist. The original subject of this discussion, as I understand it, was just found and removed from it's natural surroundings, not altered in any discernable way by the "artist". Now what Michelangelo did with a rock is art.

:) Yes It was found and removed from it's natural surroundings.
Of course its ART.
We have many lovely rocks in our gardens. No artist needed. It is created by NATURE.

Jan why is it if you call a nude picture art it is allowed but other pictures no less revealing are porn .??

Why is it ok for a pedophile to take pictures of nude kids is ok if that man is said to be a artist when it's child porn ??

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Jan why is it if you call a nude picture art it is allowed but other pictures no less revealing are porn .??

Why is it ok for a pedophile to take pictures of nude kids is ok if that man is said to be a artist when it's child porn ??

I think everyone can tell the difference between art and porn.
But there are some weird people out there.
Pedophiles are the worst...

The Vatican. Pedophile perpetrator was a former top diplomat and additionally former archbishop.
It made no difference. The man was arrested anyway on the orders of Pope Francis.
Now Jozef Wesolowski is under house arrest inside the Vatican awaiting trial.
https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dn.se%2Fnyheter%2Fvarlden%2Fvatikanen-satter-pedofilanklagad-biskop-i-husarrest%2F&edit-text=

Jan i'm shore if i still had all them Penthouse and Playboy mag's i had as a younger man i could find a identical picture to the 1 that was posted here but that one is art but the playboy or Penthouse picture is not because it's in a mag ?

It's a photo not a picture that was painted so why is one art the other not they would both be photo's only one is called art and not allowed but the other is not because it appeared in a men's mag !!!!!!!

Case in point this site is pg but because it's art it's allowed ?!

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