Where did I mention Saudi Arabia?

I stated "the rest of the Middle East". That is Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Qatar, UAE, Yemen, Kuwait, Israel, Lebanon & Saudi Arabia.

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Reality Internet Personality

Doesn't Turkey belong to the Middle East?
That is East Turkey where there a Kurds from former Kurdistan living in South East.

And I forgot:)
Oman, Bahrain and Egypt.
Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbeckistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgystan and LÃ¥ngtbortistan

Where did I mention Saudi Arabia?

I stated "the rest of the Middle East". That is Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Qatar, UAE, Yemen, Kuwait, Israel, Lebanon & Saudi Arabia.

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You're the one who "specifically" identified an individual country from "Elsewhere in the Middle East", so your "highlighting" of Saudi Arabia in that list is highly suspect.

Doesn't Turkey belong to the Middle East?
That is East Turkey where there a Kurds from former Kurdistan living in South East.

And I forgot:)
Oman, Bahrain and Egypt.
Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbeckistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgystan and LÃ¥ngtbortistan

Wasn't sure about Turkey which is why I left it off the list. As for Egypt, that's part of North Africa. Forgot about Oman & didn't know Bahrain was a country.

As for the rest of your list, they're part of Asia.

Doesn't Turkey belong to the Middle East?
That is East Turkey where there a Kurds from former Kurdistan living in South East.
And I forgot:)
Oman, Bahrain and Egypt.
Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbeckistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgystan and LÃ¥ngtbortistan

Wasn't sure about Turkey which is why I left it off the list. As for Egypt, that's part of North Africa. Forgot about Oman & didn't know Bahrain was a country.
As for the rest of your list, they're part of Asia.

Have you Heard the name Minor Asia?
Almost every country that we westerns call "middle east" countries are in Asia.
Except of course Egypt and the small part of western Turkey.
Istanbul, former Konstantinopel and Miklagård.

Egypt. Have you read the bible?

btw. LÃ¥ngtbortistan is in Rinkeby, Northern Stockholm.
You have to take the the BLUE train AKA the Orient Express to get there:)

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You're the one who "specifically" identified an individual country from "Elsewhere in the Middle East", so your "highlighting" of Saudi Arabia in that list is highly suspect.

You are really going to have to explain why you think it is "suspect" :D

Let me remind you what you wrote:

"What about the vicious human rights violations happening every day elsewhere in the Middle East? Where is the furore over that?"

Do you want to explain to me why Saudi Arabia is exempt seeing as it has some pretty horrendous human rights abuses going on?

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???

You're the one who "specifically" identified an individual country from "Elsewhere in the Middle East", so your "highlighting" of Saudi Arabia in that list is highly suspect.

You are really going to have to explain why you think it is "suspect" :D

Let me remind you what you wrote:

"What about the vicious human rights violations happening every day elsewhere in the Middle East? Where is the furore over that?"

Do you want to explain to me why Saudi Arabia is exempt seeing as it has some pretty horrendous human rights abuses going on?

There is much of that going on throughout the Middle-East, so why did you highlight Saudi Arabia?

Also, Who said Saudi Arabia is exempt?

There is much of that going on throughout the Middle-East, so why did you highlight Saudi Arabia?

To point out an example of where there are huge human rights issues and no one is making a fuss. I am really not sure what you are finding so hard to understand about this.

Also, Who said Saudi Arabia is exempt?

Are you high?

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Reality Internet Personality

There is much of that going on throughout the Middle-East, so why did you highlight Saudi Arabia?

To point out an example of where there are huge human rights issues and no one is making a fuss. I am really not sure what you are finding so hard to understand about this.

Saudi Arabia has already started the Arabian Kalifat that the Islamic state IS trying to establish!
Human rights in Saudi Arabia...
Yes for those who follows islam by letter not from Mohammed but from some "scholars" centuaries later.

There is much of that going on throughout the Middle-East, so why did you highlight Saudi Arabia?

To point out an example of where there are huge human rights issues and no one is making a fuss. I am really not sure what you are finding so hard to understand about this.

Also, Who said Saudi Arabia is exempt?

Are you high?

No I'm not, but you've now clarified your comment. Originally, I stated the rest of to which you replied by stating Saudi Arabia.

As for not making a fuss, I did & also pointed out what Qatar is doing regarding their World Cup preparations - I see nobody commented on that! Probably too tied up in Israel/Gaza.

As for not making a fuss, I did & also pointed out what Qatar is doing regarding their World Cup preparations - I see nobody commented on that! Probably too tied up in Israel/Gaza.

There are MANY football fans in the World.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_FIFA_World_Cup#Workers.27_conditions
The issue of migrant workers' rights has also attracted attention, with an investigation by The Guardian newspaper claiming that many workers are denied food and water, have their identity papers taken away from them, and that they are not paid on time or at all, making some of them in effect slaves. The Guardian has estimated that up to 4,000 workers may die due to lax safety and other causes by the time the competition is held. These claims are based upon the fact that 400 Nepalese and over 700 migrant Indian workers have already died on various building sites in the country since 2010, when Qatar's bid as World Cup's host was won.

The 2018 FIFA World Cup will be the 21st FIFA World Cup, an international men's football tournament, that is scheduled to take place between 14 June and 15 July 2018 in Russia. This will be the first World Cup held in the area of the former Soviet Union and the first since 2006 to be held in Europe.
The finals tournament will involve 32 national teams, including that of the host nation, assuming the current format of the finals is maintained. The final is expected to take place in Moscow at the Luzhniki Stadium.

There is much of that going on throughout the Middle-East, so why did you highlight Saudi Arabia?

To point out an example of where there are huge human rights issues and no one is making a fuss. I am really not sure what you are finding so hard to understand about this.

Also, Who said Saudi Arabia is exempt?

Are you high?

No I'm not, but you've now clarified your comment. Originally, I stated the rest of to which you replied by stating Saudi Arabia.

As for not making a fuss, I did & also pointed out what Qatar is doing regarding their World Cup preparations - I see nobody commented on that! Probably too tied up in Israel/Gaza.

Well this is the Israel/Gaza thread.

Although recently you wouldn't know it. :/

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Well this is the Israel/Gaza thread.

Nop. Its The Israel and Palestine conflict thread!

Well this is the Israel/Gaza thread.

Nop. Its The Israel and Palestine conflict thread!

LOL....Israel is Palestine.

Well this is the Israel/Gaza thread.

Nop. Its The Israel and Palestine conflict thread!

LOL....Israel is Palestine.

Yes but...
Now I'm confused...
And Gaza...
Is Gaza part of Israel or Palestine?
https://www.google.se/maps/@31.1269403,34.7615171,9z

Well this is the Israel/Gaza thread.

Nop. Its The Israel and Palestine conflict thread!

LOL....Israel is Palestine.

Yes but...
Now I'm confused...
And Gaza...
Is Gaza part of Israel or Palestine?
https://www.google.se/maps/@31.1269403,34.7615171,9z

Good question...

...you decide.

Well this is the Israel/Gaza thread.

Nop. Its The Israel and Palestine conflict thread!

LOL....Israel is Palestine.

Yes but...
Now I'm confused...
And Gaza...
Is Gaza part of Israel or Palestine?
https://www.google.se/maps/@31.1269403,34.7615171,9z

Good question...

...you decide.

Palestine is a geographic region (between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River). It was named thus by the ancient Greeks. The Romans (being dutiful copycats of the Greeks) called the region when they conquered it 'Syria Palaestina'.

The 'State of Palestine' is one of two 'nations' in the region, the other being Israel.

Calling the 'State of Palestine' "Palestine" is like calling the 'United States of America' "America". Sure, most might know what you are talking about, but it isn't technically correct.

@ Clyde

The entire Mideast, and parts of Asia, The US, Russia, Anti-Jewish/Muslim, are part of the Israel/Gaza problem.

Although some will not admit it.

You left out Europe, especially the UK.

The name Palestine derives originally from Philistia, a coastal area which roughly corresponds to today's Israeli coast and Gaza. Hadrian had after several rebellions need to finally subdue the Jews and, if possible, wipe out their homeland why he gave the area which formerly constituted the province of Judea (Judah and Benjamin tribes field) name Palaestina, which is a Latinized form of Philistia, year 135. According to stories of the Old Testament were the Philistines at times Israel's enemies for centuries. The very name "Palestine" thus derives from the Romans. Other names for the region include Canaan, Southern Levant, Jund Filastin, Outremer, Eretz Israel, the Promised Land and the Holy Land.

Today?

Anthem: "فدائي"
"Fida'i"
"My Redemption"

فدائي فدائي فدائي
يا أرضي يا أرض الجدود
فدائي فدائ
فدائي يا شعبي يا شعب الخلود

What about the vicious human rights violations happening every day elsewhere in the Middle East? Where is the furore over that?

Pretty sure we have a separate thread for the Middle East. But in general you can perhaps say that we don't care as much about the rest of the Middle East and its human rights abuses as we care about Israel.

I will argue that this is the result of lingering Western orientalist attitudes. Basically we used to think of everyone not from Europe or America as savages, now we know that thinking that is racist, but the idea still lingers.

We hold our idea of human rights as self evident. Meaning they are true because they are true. Then clearly everyone who does not agree with their truth is either purposefully evil for denying their truth, or to dumb and ignorant to comprehend and accept their truth. And boy, doesn't the idea of people from the Middle East being dumb and ignorant fit well within the orientalist narrative, which specifically claimed that these people were dumb and ignorant?

This idea is so clearly baked into our collective consciousness that basically, human right abuses are not seen as a deviation from the norm, rather they are the norm. We (subconsciously) expect countries in the Middle East to abuse human rights.

This also explains why we do care a lot more about every time Israel levels a street with artillery. Israel, in the Western narrative is very clearly painted as a Western country, with Western values. The whole talk about how Israel is the only liberal democracy in the region is just code for Israel being the only Western power in the region. But because they are Western, and are therefor regarded as intelligent, reasonable and rational beings, who have a deep respect for our Western values, it clashes much harder every time they do not follow the expected pattern of behavior that comes with being associated with being Western.

Note that the Golan Heights, which on a Israeli map is marked as Israeli, is recognized as a part of Syria by all UN member states except Israel.

https://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/golan-heights.jpg