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Message 1545218 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 9:13:50 UTC

Says a lot about humans we are just a virus and yet we wish to contact ET or God....
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Message 1545222 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 9:26:22 UTC - in response to Message 1545169.  

The HUMAN SHIELDS Hamas is using?

Do tell how these teens were acting like human shields for Hamas when an Israeli sniper shot them.

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Even the Israeli media confirms it

If Es is acting like a shill for Hamas, you are acting like a shill for Israeli state terror inflicted upon the Palestinian population.
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Message 1545267 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 12:35:30 UTC - in response to Message 1545184.  

The hate mongers have won. No longer about facts, now only about hate filled beliefs. Isn't the Abrahamic God wonderful to cause this?
Israel is not fighting for g-d but nation. Zionism is not a religion; Zionism is not Judaism, no Jewish state without the Messiah who has yet to come.

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Message 1545270 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 13:03:06 UTC

Palestine has no army - so when Chris Hedges talks about "soldiers enticing children" he is talking about Israel, as Hev has already pointed out.
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Message 1545302 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 13:51:56 UTC - in response to Message 1545293.  
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According to the philosophy of these people: Western Christian's and Jewish persons/countries/cultures are expected to be more civilized, and Non-Western, non Jewish and Christian people are not expected to be (because they are Inferior?).

We have a winner. Passive aggressive racism. On DLS Reports I got a warning for mentioning Mexicans. In the same thread I mentioned Canadians in the same context and it was fine. I was talking about the superior US Phone Company and the passive aggressive racists put me into their mindset.
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Message 1545313 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 14:49:59 UTC

"The political party known as Hamas was created as a Palestinian extension of the popular Muslim Brotherhood Organization (& where are they now?) that had already swept through Egypt and much of the Arab world

Hamas continued to denounce Israel's presence in the region, demanding a Palestinian Islamic state in its place."
Time - The Gaza Strip Jan 7 2009. Statement in brackets are mine.

Heartbreak in the Middle East - current? no, 2009

Every time Gaza erupts onto the International stage, we see condemnation. Why? It's being happening for 67 years & still no end in sight.
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Message 1545314 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 14:54:30 UTC - in response to Message 1545293.  

The foundation of this argument is, at best, the primitive idea of Western Superiority.

If Israel represents 'Western Superiority' then honestly there is absolutely nothing superior about it. What I see here is the deliberate targeting of civilians for no reason. You know, the same thing Hamas is accused off.

According to the philosophy of these people: Western Christian's and Jewish persons/countries/cultures are expected to be more civilized, and Non-Western, non Jewish and Christian people are not expected to be (because they are Inferior?). If you do not hold OTHER countries/people/religions/cultures/races, etc., to the same high standard's as YOUR country/people/religion/culture/races, etc.,: We know what that really means.

Im not saying that Hamas shouldn't be held to the same standard as Israel. But as it stands, Hamas is just mostly a lot of talk. They yell that they want to wipe Israel off the map, that they are targeting Israeli civilians. But for all that talk, they are hardly capable of making true on their promises. Israel on the other hand, claims its protecting people, it claims this supposed Western superiority, but they actually behave a lot like barbarians.

Just 'flip the coin'.

Have the people of Israel use the tactics of Hamas. They would rightly be condemned of 'Committing Crimes Against Humanity'.

Don't need to flip the coin, Israel is already virtually using the same tactics as Hamas. Their actions show a total disregard for Palestinian civilians, that video even shows they are deliberately targeting civilians who have done nothing wrong or who weren't in the way.

Waiting for the same demonstration's against those who store their weapon's among their children, and demand their children remain.

We will not, and we know why.

Well except that everyone has already denounced Hamas. They aren't considered a terrorist organization for nothing by virtually the entire world. If you think Hamas doesn't get criticized or denounced as criminals and villains than you seriously have not been paying attention.
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Message 1545319 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 15:05:16 UTC - in response to Message 1545137.  
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Im not saying that Hamas shouldn't be held to the same standard as Israel. But as it stands, Hamas is just mostly a lot of talk. They yell that they want to wipe Israel off the map, that they are targeting Israeli civilians. But for all that talk, they are hardly capable of making true on their promises. Israel on the other hand, claims its protecting people, it claims this supposed Western superiority, but they actually behave a lot like barbarians.


Go over there for a 2 month holiday! Spend a month in Israel, then if a rocket doesn't get you, spend a month in Gaza.

Most of your posts are interesting. However, every so often you tend to spout crap.
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Message 1545322 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 15:10:59 UTC - in response to Message 1545314.  

If Israel represents 'Western Superiority' then honestly there is absolutely nothing superior about it. What I see here is the deliberate targeting of civilians for no reason. You know, the same thing Hamas is accused off.
It comes down to official state policy as opposed to individual actions. This happens in every civil unrest situation. Your harping on Israel and not others shows an agenda. Independent critical thinking is lacking here.

If Gaza were part of Egypt, as it should be, this would not be happening. Leave Israel alone and they will leave you alone. Hamas loves to parade dead children through the streets. They don't care about children only their agenda.
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Message 1545324 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 15:14:46 UTC - in response to Message 1545322.  

I don't believe this! It hurts!

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Message 1545328 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 15:52:30 UTC - in response to Message 1545322.  

Hamas loves to parade dead children through the streets. They don't care about children only their agenda.

The issue here is assuming that Hamas uses Judeo-Christian moral standards. They do not. There is no higher glory to Allah than dying in defense of Islam. So siting missile launchers in hospitals and schools is exactly what their moral code calls for.

The US learned in the Pacific some 75 years ago what it means to fight an enemy that believes suicide is an acceptable tactic. To get them to abandon this tactic took horrors so terrible they finally woke up from their delusion.

No I'm not advocating nuking Gaza for those idiots who have comprehension problems. Even Dresden isn't called for. However limited proportionate strikes designed to maintain the status quo will make this go on for 10,000 years. (How European, war has rules designed to prolong the conflict.)

It needs to end. And one side or the other is going to have to be forced into signing an unconditional instrument of surrender. Another fine mess the line in the sand gang has created.
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Message 1545408 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 18:08:36 UTC


Israel Is Simply Wrong This Time
Israeli settlers are stealing land. There's no other way to put it.


"Tiny Gaza has become a classic reservation for Palestinians. It is small, crowded, geo-policially isolated and its population restricted -- actually imprisoned -- within its fenced and mined borders. "

Israeli Lawmaker Outlines Final Solution For Gaza: ‘Elimination’

"Moshe Feiglin, Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Knesset, and an elected lawmaker representing the Likud Party of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu has used an Op Ed in the Israel National News to call for the ‘elimination’ of Gaza as a final solution to the ‘Palestinian Problem’."

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Message 1545416 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 18:19:08 UTC - in response to Message 1545408.  


Israel Is Simply Wrong This Time
Israeli settlers are stealing land. There's no other way to put it.


"Tiny Gaza has become a classic reservation for Palestinians. It is small, crowded, geo-policially isolated and its population restricted -- actually imprisoned -- within its fenced and mined borders. "
Does Israel control all the borders of Gaza? They are Islamic are they not? So just why are the Egyptians blocking access?

Israeli Lawmaker Outlines Final Solution For Gaza: ‘Elimination’

"Moshe Feiglin, Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Knesset, and an elected lawmaker representing the Likud Party of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu has used an Op Ed in the Israel National News to call for the ‘elimination’ of Gaza as a final solution to the ‘Palestinian Problem’."

If correct, then for that alone, Israeli leaders should be condemned in the UN as there is no way that ordinary Jews will accept that, especially given their own history.
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Message 1545418 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 18:25:24 UTC - in response to Message 1545416.  


Israel Is Simply Wrong This Time
Israeli settlers are stealing land. There's no other way to put it.


"Tiny Gaza has become a classic reservation for Palestinians. It is small, crowded, geo-policially isolated and its population restricted -- actually imprisoned -- within its fenced and mined borders. "
Does Israel control all the borders of Gaza? They are Islamic are they not? So just why are the Egyptians blocking access?

Egypt has been supporting Israel in this for a while now.

Israeli Lawmaker Outlines Final Solution For Gaza: ‘Elimination’

"Moshe Feiglin, Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Knesset, and an elected lawmaker representing the Likud Party of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu has used an Op Ed in the Israel National News to call for the ‘elimination’ of Gaza as a final solution to the ‘Palestinian Problem’."

If correct, then for that alone, Israeli leaders should be condemned in the UN as there is no way that ordinary Jews will accept that, especially given their own history.

There are plenty of Jewish people who are disgusted with what Israel is doing.
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Message 1545424 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 18:36:03 UTC
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I wonder how many tanks and how many Jetfighters the Palestinian have access to in this war?

Anyone know?
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Message 1545426 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 18:43:17 UTC - in response to Message 1545416.  
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So just why are the Egyptians blocking access?
They don't want terrorists crossing into Egypt. All things considered it's better they kill each other and not fly planes into buildings.

There are plenty of Jewish people who are disgusted with what Israel is doing.
Yes Rev. Batter Up works closely with Chief Rabbi Mordecai Schlomo to get this truth out. Zionism is not Judaism, no Israeli state with out the Messiah who has yet to come.


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Message 1545428 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 18:47:42 UTC - in response to Message 1545418.  


Israel Is Simply Wrong This Time
Israeli settlers are stealing land. There's no other way to put it.


"Tiny Gaza has become a classic reservation for Palestinians. It is small, crowded, geo-policially isolated and its population restricted -- actually imprisoned -- within its fenced and mined borders. "
Does Israel control all the borders of Gaza? They are Islamic are they not? So just why are the Egyptians blocking access?

Egypt has been supporting Israel in this for a while now.

I'm aware of that. The question is why?

Is it because they themselves do not wish to p off the Israelis? After all, Egypt tried twice & got their butts kicked big time.

Another question to consider is this: -

Why isn't the Islamic world coming to their aid? It tried three times to wipe Israel off the map. Have they finally come to realise that Israel is there to stay? If so, just why isn't Hamas accepting that fact?
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Message 1545458 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 20:02:58 UTC - in response to Message 1545322.  

It comes down to official state policy as opposed to individual actions. This happens in every civil unrest situation. Your harping on Israel and not others shows an agenda. Independent critical thinking is lacking here.

If Gaza were part of Egypt, as it should be, this would not be happening. Leave Israel alone and they will leave you alone. Hamas loves to parade dead children through the streets. They don't care about children only their agenda.

Oh, yes, lets talk about Israel's official state policies. There is the colonization of Palestinian territory. And then there is the huge wall they build around the Gaza strip which again, is build in such a way that it steals Palestinian territory. Then there is the policy of forced evictions of Palestinians to make room for Jewish settlers. The various policies of blatant discrimination against non Jews and Arabs.

And finally there is the official state policy to retaliate against every rocket strike of Hamas. Only where Hamas doesn't hit anything, Israel does. So they are racking up quite the body count.


Now, again, for the tenth time, Im not excusing Hamas, I'm not saying that what Hamas does is moral, right, justified or excusable in any way. I'm simply saying that while Hamas is bad, so is Israel.
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Message 1545464 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 20:07:05 UTC - in response to Message 1545458.  

Do I have to repeat everything.

These rockets are aimed at Israel’s civilian population, and are unprovoked, sent with murderous intent. Since the beginning of Operation Protective Edge, Hamas has fired over 1,500 rockets into Israel. The Palestinian envoy to the UN human rights council, Ibrahim Khreisheh, observed that Hamas rocket-fire amounts to war crimes, “whether it hits or misses, because it is directed at civilian targets”.
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Message 1545466 - Posted: 21 Jul 2014, 20:07:51 UTC - in response to Message 1545408.  

Israeli Lawmaker Outlines Final Solution For Gaza: ‘Elimination’

"Moshe Feiglin, Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Knesset, and an elected lawmaker representing the Likud Party of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu has used an Op Ed in the Israel National News to call for the ‘elimination’ of Gaza as a final solution to the ‘Palestinian Problem’."

Holy cow! You'd think that from all people in the world, Israeli's would know better. Blegh, reading that article leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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