As religion has a major part to play in all this with some quoting the bible...

Enslavement of the Israelites

...Just where were they taken from in the first place?

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More on why Hamas rejected the ceasefire:
Hamas tells Egypt it rejects Gaza ceasefire

Egypt says it has not been involved in any talks since collapse of proposed ceasefire and resumption of Israeli air strikes

"Hamas were informed about the deal, they were told about it," said Hellyer. "But they weren't part of the negotiations for the ceasefire, while the Israelis were, and I think it was bound to fail for that reason. Hamas had made it clear it is not in the mood for a ceasefire that doesn't give it much – particularly after a conflict that has seen so many deaths. It was quite foreseeable what would happen."

Its not really a negotiation if one side isn't included in the discussions. Was the ceasefire proposal merely a paper exercise to give legitimacy to Israel's invasion?

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Reality Internet Personality

As religion has a major part to play in all this with some quoting the bible...

Enslavement of the Israelites

...Just where were they taken from in the first place?

Long story... something to do with failing to exterminate some tribes and dallying with Canaanites, and therefore being punished with a famine sent by God, I think - but I'm a bit rusty on that bit. But they went there of their own free will as I understand it, and accumulated a bit too much wealth for the new Pharoah's liking, who then enslaved them. Apparently... I think.

More on why Hamas rejected the ceasefire:
Hamas tells Egypt it rejects Gaza ceasefire

Egypt says it has not been involved in any talks since collapse of proposed ceasefire and resumption of Israeli air strikes

"Hamas were informed about the deal, they were told about it," said Hellyer. "But they weren't part of the negotiations for the ceasefire, while the Israelis were, and I think it was bound to fail for that reason. Hamas had made it clear it is not in the mood for a ceasefire that doesn't give it much – particularly after a conflict that has seen so many deaths. It was quite foreseeable what would happen."

Its not really a negotiation if one side isn't included in the discussions. Was the ceasefire proposal merely a paper exercise to give legitimacy to Israel's invasion?

Definitely not what I'd call negotiation, no. Paper exercise? It does sort of look like that a bit... :/

It is now just a war of vendetta with control of the oil and gas fields as a side bet to make it interesting.

Yahweh knew there would be franking and He gave the oil in the flinty rock to His chosen people.

Deuteronomy 32:13 American Standard Bible (NASB)
13 “...
And He made him suck honey from the rock,
And oil from the flinty rock,

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Forget the media or any propagandists of the past, the best propaganda tool ever invented is the Bible/Koran!

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As religion has a major part to play in all this with some quoting the bible...

Enslavement of the Israelites

Joseph, of the coat of many colors, was sold into slavery by his brothers. Being good at accounting he became second in command in Pharaohs court. When there was famine in the Land of Canaan his brothers and their families came to him and offered to be slaves for food and shelter.

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I am glad you're not in charge protecting anything.

Oh! I didn't understand. Someone fires 1600 bullets at my children, but miss. Therefore... My response must be to find a 'bad shot', and make sure he doesn't hit too much. Great 'Thinking'.

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I try to answer your your points in a clear and lucid manner, I think it's only fair that you return the favour rather than coming back with smarmy and irrelevant replies !!

You dodged my point completely. What would you do and how would you feel if someone fired 1600 rounds at your children and turned them into mince meat then shelled and bombed your house even though it was your neighbour that "lit the blue touch paper" ?

With the boot on the other foot, if someone fired at your kids but they were behind a virtually bullet proof wall, would you be so anxious for revenge you would be so prepared to kill the guilty that you would disregard the fact that you killed a greater number of innocents including women and children ?

I suggest you compare the death tolls of women and children on either side over the years and then tell me who the brutes are.

T.A.

My view would be...

You dodged my point completely. What would you do and how would you feel if someone fired 1600 rounds at your children and turned them into mince meat and shelled and bombed your house even though it was your neighbour that "lit the blue touch paper" ?

Peed off then put a bullet in the back of both their heads.

With the boot on the other foot, if someone fired at your kids but they were behind a virtually bullet proof wall, would you be so anxious for revenge you would be so prepared to kill the guilty that you would disregard the fact that you killed a greater number of innocents including women and children ?

I would do nothing but be alert for the one that fired those rounds.

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FACT, if Gaza accept Egypt's cease fire proposal this would not have happened.

It was unlikely that they would accept as there was nothing in the proposal to lift the crippling blockade that is causing the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

Yes, it didn't require a new election that Fatah would win.

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[This is the problem, this has been going on so long that who attacked who in the first place has been long forgotten. It is now just a war of vendetta

+many

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Its not really a negotiation if one side isn't included in the discussions. Was the ceasefire proposal merely a paper exercise to give legitimacy to Israel's invasion?

So now the Egyptians are supporting Israel's self defense? You owe me a keyboard!!!

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Its not really a negotiation if one side isn't included in the discussions. Was the ceasefire proposal merely a paper exercise to give legitimacy to Israel's invasion?

So now the Egyptians are supporting Israel's self defense? You owe me a keyboard!!!

Are you really that out of the loop over there in the US?

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Reality Internet Personality

Its not really a negotiation if one side isn't included in the discussions. Was the ceasefire proposal merely a paper exercise to give legitimacy to Israel's invasion?

So now the Egyptians are supporting Israel's self defense? You owe me a keyboard!!!

Are you really that out of the loop over there in the US?

So I looked at the map again, just because minds can forget. Gaza is shown as belonging to Egypt, so the people living there are of Egyptian ancestry. (It shows the West Bank as belonging to Jordan, so the people living there are Jordanian ancestry.)

In any case, Egypt who made the ceasefire proposal, is doing "a paper exercise to give legitimacy to Israel's invasion" of a people of Egyptian heritage?

If your paper exercise is true, it says a lot about the people living in Gaza.

<ed>Just so there is no question "map prepared by George Philip & Son LTD London"

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This is a post I made here on the seti forum five and a half years ago. The link is to the Jewish newspaper Haaretz.
And so it goes on, around and around.

"The actions of Israel are seen by some in Israel as a war crime the neighborhood bully strikes again

And as the following points out, the issues surrounding the Israel/Palestine conflict are complex.

JOHN BERGER ON GAZA

December 29, 2008, 2:49 am
Filed under: Gaza, Israel | Tags: John Berger
A message from the British writer and art critic, John Berger.

We are now spectators of the latest - and perhaps penultimate - chapter of the 60 year old conflict between Israel and the Palestinian people. About the complexities of this tragic conflict billions of words have been pronounced, defending one side or the other.

Today, in face of the Israeli attacks on Gaza, the essential calculation, which was always covertly there, behind this conflict, has been blatantly revealed. The death of one Israeli victim justifies the killing of a hundred Palestinians. One Israeli life is worth a hundred Palestinian lives.

This is what the Israeli State and the world media more or less - with marginal questioning - mindlessly repeat. And this claim, which has accompanied and justified the longest Occupation of foreign territories in 20th C. European history, is viscerally racist. That the Jewish people should accept this, that the world should concur, that the Palestinians should submit to it - is one of history's ironic jokes. There's no laughter anywhere. We can, however, refute it, more and more vocally.

Let's do so.

John Berger

27 December 2008"

this just in..

Two Israeli soldiers killed; Palestinian toll in Gaza tops 300

GAZA/JERUSALEM—

Two Israeli soldiers were killed in a cross-border attack by Hamas militants on Saturday, the army said, as the Palestinian death toll from the conflict rose above 300 with no diplomatic solution in sight.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-israel-palestine-gaza-20140718,0,3657517.story

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Hamas is the most moral by far ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/20/world/middleeast/gaza-israel.html?_r=0 wrote:

Hours later, the military says, two more militants entered Israel either through a tunnel or by breaching the border fence. The Israelis said the men were carrying tranquilizers and handcuffs; one militant was fatally shot and the other died when the explosive belt he was wearing detonated, a military spokesman said.

So out on a mission to capture civilians, torture them and use them as hostages / human shields. Not a war crime. 100% highest ethical and moral standards on display. Perfect use of Hamas taxpayer money. Just what the civilians who elected them want in leaders.

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100% highest ethical and moral standards on display. Perfect use of Hamas taxpayer money. Just what the civilians who elected them want in leaders.

What is wrong with those people? Can anybody tell me.

They could be a year round resort. Or do they believe 72 white sweet raisins in heaven are good enough.

Why don't they build a boardwalk with a Midway Steak House, better than raisins. I know one guy who would visit.

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Don't get it the picture looks like prince Harry but who the others are dunno or where there are dunno please explain a bit more .

your to Cryptic again

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Don't get it the picture looks like prince Harry but who the others are dunno or where there are dunno please explain a bit more .

your to Cryptic again

That's the governor of NJ at the Jersey Shore with Harry. Gaza has a great beach but instead of building a tourist attraction they spend their money on rockets.

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