Weird sentence structures, unusual word order, etc.

Interesting. Will kindly diagram one of those unusual sentences?

the question is which side do you want as your neighbor after it is over?

Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan know and silently have spoken.

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After all Winterknight & I have been saying, he's now saying that? After all his statements disagreeing with us?

Clearly the English language is beyond your comprehension. How sad...

Clearly you have no regards for anybody that does not match your ideals, you'll make an excellent "out of touch" politician.

How you come to such generalizing conclusions is beyond me.

While you might wonder the same about how I was able to draw the conclusion of your English language skills, I actually have proof. For one, you attributed a completely different meaning to the post where I said that the conflict would end when one side is dead and a completely different meaning to all my posts arguing against Winterknights love for reenacting the artillery duels of the Western front in Gaza city. If however, you had a basic understanding of the English language, you wouldn't have attributed those claims to me.

Secondly, there have been numerous examples of you writing down some English sentences that look like they were pulled from Google translate. Weird sentence structures, unusual word order, etc.

Generalizing claim, or valid observation following a detailed study of the things you have posted on this forum? :)

Come & live in the UK for a few years & you'll understand us better. Secondly, get your head out of books, there's a big wide world out there. One shouldn't be relying on Google for everything.

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Come & live in the UK for a few years & you'll understand us better. Secondly, get your head out of books, there's a big wide world out there. One shouldn't be relying on Google for everything.

I've lived in Manchester, I know how... creative... some people get when it comes to speaking their own language.

Come & live in the UK for a few years & you'll understand us better. Secondly, get your head out of books, there's a big wide world out there. One shouldn't be relying on Google for everything.

I've lived in Manchester, I know how... creative... some people get when it comes to speaking their own language.

Excellent, so please explain your thoughts on this: -

There is a war going on, so what does proportionate/disproportionate responses & precise/imprecise munitions have to do with the fighting of that war?

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sirius b said:

get your head out of books, there's a big wide world out there. One shouldn't be relying on Google for everything.

Books? or Google? Which one 'is' 'Everything'?

I buy a Used Book fO 4 dolla(incl. shipping) and 'Visit' 'Anywhere'. I Spend 4 dolla on a gallon of gas, go 20 miles, and get to The End of My Driveway.

Right Now, wif my Book, I'm in China. Car is in Garage. Plane on Tarmac. Global Warmers happy 'bout dat? Ooopsie, UPS spewed a lot of CO2 to get Me Book, and a Tree died cause of Me. Dat makes me sad, very sad.

It surely do.

Four Dolla got me around da Vrold.

My Head doin' fine.

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May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!!

Getting back to reality, here is an amazing summary of the people living in Gaza:

your reality by chance?

The reasons why Gaza's population is so young

Just what does that have to do with the conflict?

Gaza conflict will traumatise a generation of children

As it has in the past, will do in the present & unless put to a stop completely, will do so in the future. So your point is?

Engage brain.

Think again?...


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Martin your post about the population was very interesting . I'm wondering if that could be a big part of the problem young hot heads . With no Elders to mentor the youth they act like young people do act first think later and by then it's opps what have i done !!

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Remember this last Wednesday.

Gaza: Israeli airstrike kills 16 in shopping area; many thought cease-fire was in effect

By Karin Laub and Peter Enav

Associated Press
Posted: 07/30/2014 08:33:05 AM PDT
Updated: 07/30/2014 09:54:12 AM PDT

JEBALIYA REFUGEE CAMP, Gaza Strip (AP) -- An Israeli airstrike hit a crowded Gaza shopping area on Wednesday, killing at least 16 people and wounding more than 150, hours after Israeli tank shells slammed into a U.N. school sheltering displaced Palestinians, killing 15 people, Gaza health officials said.

The latest deadly strikes came on the heels of an escalation in the embattled coastal territory, with Israel and Gaza's Hamas rulers stepping up attacks after more than three weeks of fighting that has killed more than 1,300 Palestinians and more than 50 Israelis.

Gaza health ministry official Ashraf al-Kidra and witnesses said the shopping area was busy because residents, and many who had taken shelter in the area from fighting elsewhere, thought a cease-fire was in place. The Palestinian Red Crescent confirmed the death toll.

The Israeli military had no immediate comment on the strike on the shopping area and said it was investigating the report.

Well just look at this,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCSalRuLQbA
The descriptive text is;

Israeli strikes near a market in the eastern Gaza Strip killed 17 Palestinians on Wednesday, the local health ministry has said. Residents said that Israeli shelling and two missiles from the air hit the market area in Shejaia, on the fringes of the city of Gaza. The market was not open at the time, witnesses said, and people had gathered there to look at a huge fire at a petrol station nearby. Shejaia has seen some of the heaviest bombardment in the Gaza offensive Israel launched on July 8 with the declared aim of curbing militant rocket fire from the enclave, controlled by Islamist Hamas. The Health Ministry has said 1,361 Palestinians, mostly civilians, have been killed in the 23 days of fighting. Report by Andrea Lilly.

The full un-edited video can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdf4xG8hV3k but it is very graphic, so watch only if your stomach is up to it.

But it does show that this was not an airstrike in the market square, the airstrike hit a warehouse alongside the square. This warehouse was probably a storage area for Hamas weapons. With the explosions, reports say 14, being the Hamas rockets exploding.

All the injuries are lower limb or burns, probably from an exploding fuel tank of Hamas rocket. There is also no shrapnel damage to the vehicles, the windows and windscreen are still in one piece, or the walls surrounding the square.

The story of a airstrike on a crowded market place, with many deaths and injuries, is just that, a propaganda story trying to cover up an own goal.

The story of a airstrike on a crowded market place, with many deaths and injuries, is just that, a propaganda story trying to cover up an own goal.

As I said long ago on this thread, getting information from Gaza that has not been censored by Hamas is hard. Good find.

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The story of a airstrike on a crowded market place, with many deaths and injuries, is just that, a propaganda story trying to cover up an own goal.

As I said long ago on this thread, getting information from Gaza that has not been censored by Hamas is hard. Good find.

I followed up this Telegraph story because the text had changed, it was as that posted below for the ITN story, originally from AP. But later the headline said 17 killed, wounds dozens.

That didn't ring true for a market that wasn't open, so I re-read the story, and as you can see there is no mention of the market being closed. It also tries to combine two stories into one.

Airstrike on Gaza shopping area kills at least 16, wounds dozens

The story of a airstrike on a crowded market place, with many deaths and injuries, is just that, a propaganda story trying to cover up an own goal.

As I said long ago on this thread, getting information from Gaza that has not been censored by Hamas is hard. Good find.

I followed up this Telegraph story because the text had changed, it was as that posted below for the ITN story, originally from AP. But later the headline said 17 killed, wounds dozens.

That didn't ring true for a market that wasn't open, so I re-read the story, and as you can see there is no mention of the market being closed. It also tries to combine two stories into one.

Airstrike on Gaza shopping area kills at least 16, wounds dozens

I find the video footage very interesting. Looking and the full clip where the guy grabs the "press" sign off the body something doesn't add up. So I went back to the start. The "press" guy is standing near the back of the vehicle when the explosion happens. The place where this body is laying is shown 5 times after the explosion however there is no body laying there. I also find interesting that the explosion simply does not damage the block wall or the vehicles. I also find interesting that there is no black smoke, except from the fire burning before the explosion, in any of the shots and the photographer does give a 360 panorama. I note the loud explosive reports, with hiss and echo, seem to come at very regular intervals. In different footage the same guy who held the "press" sign up can be seen in the background of another side of the area again attempting to pump up the people there. I also note that in the first shots of the area there didn't seem to be bags of shopping laying about, but in the later shots they had appeared. Also in the second video there is a woman who runs right through where the body of the "press" guy should be, but he isn't there.

Unquestionably there was some kind of explosion and people were hurt. But it looks like much of it was staged for propaganda purposes.

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And where are all the craters. If a bomb or artillery shell had gone off that close to the ambulance, it wouldn't be on its wheels or in one piece.

Somewhere attached to that story is a picture of an "unexploded Israeli missle"


From the size and shape it actually seems to look like a Mk84 bomb but a real bomb is made from machined rolled steel, not welded.

And just look the same picture, July 14.

Excellent, so please explain your thoughts on this: -

There is a war going on, so what does proportionate/disproportionate responses & precise/imprecise munitions have to do with the fighting of that war?

For one, it determines whether war crimes are being committed or not. Lobbing imprecise munitions into a densely populated area causing unnecessary and disproportionate damage to the civilian infrastructure or killing civilians amounts to a war crime.

And people here are saying Israel has a right to defend itself, that its all Hamas's fault that the Palestinians are getting bombed out of their houses. That is just wrong, Israel shares the responsibility in this. And your right to defend yourself means your violence must be proportionate to what you are defending yourself against.

Excellent, so please explain your thoughts on this: -

There is a war going on, so what does proportionate/disproportionate responses & precise/imprecise munitions have to do with the fighting of that war?

For one, it determines whether war crimes are being committed or not. Lobbing imprecise munitions into a densely populated area causing unnecessary and disproportionate damage to the civilian infrastructure or killing civilians amounts to a war crime.

And people here are saying Israel has a right to defend itself, that its all Hamas's fault that the Palestinians are getting bombed out of their houses. That is just wrong, Israel shares the responsibility in this. And your right to defend yourself means your violence must be proportionate to what you are defending yourself against.

Why are you making a distinction between Palestinians and Hamas?
Don't the Palestinians see Hamas as their legitimate government?
And I do not see any calls from you to charge these terrorists with war crimes. The first for using a "Place of Safety" as a firing point, and the second for firing into Israel.
You are making claims that Israel that has the right to respond did not use the appropriate weapon when they responded, because civilians where hit. Now no one wants to see civilians, especially children hit, but they probably wouldn't have been hit if the terrorist didn't fire from so close to the schools and hospitals. Certainly there needs to be an investigation, but from your tone as I read it, you have already declared Israel guilty.

I see that so far you have not responded to my post about the market place incident. Presuming you have looked at it, are you going to tell me that all the other incidents that Hamas claim have been Israeli bombs etc. are true.

There is at least one other hospital incident where some people are saying it was hit by mis-fired Hamas rockets or mortars.

And your right to defend yourself means your violence must be proportionate to what you are defending yourself against.

What are you going to do about it? I assume even less than what you are doing in Ukraine.

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Excellent, so please explain your thoughts on this: -

There is a war going on, so what does proportionate/disproportionate responses & precise/imprecise munitions have to do with the fighting of that war?

For one, it determines whether war crimes are being committed or not. Lobbing imprecise munitions into a densely populated area causing unnecessary and disproportionate damage to the civilian infrastructure or killing civilians amounts to a war crime.

And people here are saying Israel has a right to defend itself, that its all Hamas's fault that the Palestinians are getting bombed out of their houses. That is just wrong, Israel shares the responsibility in this. And your right to defend yourself means your violence must be proportionate to what you are defending yourself against.

Totally agree. Now explain this: -

"i) The conduct endangers protected persons or objects. The majority of war crimes involve death, injury, destruction or unlawful taking of property. However, not all acts necessarily have to result in actual damage to persons or objects in order to amount to war crimes. This became evident when the Elements of Crimes for the International Criminal Court were being drafted. It was decided, for example, that it was enough to launch an attack on civilians or civilian objects, even if something unexpectedly prevented the attack from causing death or serious injury. This could be the case of an attack launched against the civilian population or individual civilians, even though, owing to the failure of the weapon system, the intended target was not hit. The same is the case for subjecting a protected person to medical experiments – actual injury is not required for the act to amount to a war crime; it is enough to endanger the life or health of the person through such an act."

Why do I agree with you? Simple, Israel has gone too far in its response. That does not make them targets for the International community in the manner the past few weeks have shown.

Taking the legal definition alone as highlighted in red above, where is the furore against Hamas?

Since the 8th July, there have been 3,127 rockets launched at Israel, so according to that which is highlighted, that's 3,127 war crimes.

You stated this: -

The amount of violence that Israel uses against Hamas is completely out of proportion. And that is the real issue here, proportionality.

Incorrect! The real issue here is the senseless death on both sides when it could have been avoided.

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Martin your post about the population was very interesting . I'm wondering if that could be a big part of the problem young hot heads . With no Elders to mentor the youth they act like young people do act first think later and by then it's opps what have i done !!

I'm very suspicious that there is something far more coercive and malevolent than that...


After all... How do 14-year-olds learn right from wrong, good from bad?

And where do all their elders go when there are no massacres there to kill everyone off by the age of 20?... Very strange...


Is that area in effect a present day planet Kamino?... Rename Gaza City to Tipoca City?... Too far fetched?... Really?

With the power of religion, that may well be too true to stomach...


All in our only one world,
Martin

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With the power of religion, that may well be too true to stomach...

Never a truer word spoken.

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Our famous "Middle East Envoy" doing his bit in all this...

Blair's Lair

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Look at the color of the smoke ...
Hamas Rocket


Israel munition


market explosion


Are we actually witnessing a failed rocket launch, and all the boom - hiss afterwards are more launches - war crimes - being committed by Hamas? Shooting rockets from an open market?! That is a big war crime. Where is the outrage?

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