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Message 1539117 - Posted: 10 Jul 2014, 14:32:49 UTC
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Pfft. "Don't Panic"

If companies were to cut off all interaction with any .edu or .org domains, could you imagine the public backlash and kneejerk legislation? Individual small and medium sized church's couldn't afford to stream their sermons, public national park "scenery" webcams would go offline, small companies couldn't have VPN or WebEx ability, etc. The public rage would drop their share prices like lead balloons. If there was a noticeable hiccup in access to so many of the non-profit sites, the resulting frenzy would force public apologies out of them, if not sparking marches and riots.

At worst, some time would pass and more competition would spring up offering access.

I think you are overestimating their long-term ability.

Just sayin.
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Message 1539135 - Posted: 10 Jul 2014, 15:04:12 UTC

After reading Eric's blog & doing some further research on this, I can see this becoming the "sub-prime" disaster for the Internet.

There is a simple solution but one that will be difficult to implement: -

Have all non-US ISP's block ALL content to & from the Continental US. Hit these companies where it hurts the most - Their wallets!

I wonder what the NSA would say with no access to worldwide net traffic...
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Message 1539136 - Posted: 10 Jul 2014, 15:09:03 UTC - in response to Message 1539092.  

Dan, you CAN reply! Freedom of speech is still in vogue here, and you can let them know how you feel about their effect on YOU!! Lee Robinson

That is 180 degrees from the truth.
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Message 1539145 - Posted: 10 Jul 2014, 15:32:03 UTC

I wonder what the NSA would say with no access to worldwide net traffic...


Not much, I presume...
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Message 1539147 - Posted: 10 Jul 2014, 15:35:23 UTC - in response to Message 1539145.  

I wonder what the NSA would say with no access to worldwide net traffic...


Not much, I presume...

Nope...you know very well they would find a way around it under the table.
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Message 1539148 - Posted: 10 Jul 2014, 15:35:46 UTC

I want to comment but they want a state and a zip number, any ideas?
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Message 1539166 - Posted: 10 Jul 2014, 15:58:20 UTC

I hope I'm not sniffing some form of censorship here in making it difficult
for some people, in the USA, to get their information up onto the web....or am I'm
misreading all this.
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Message 1539168 - Posted: 10 Jul 2014, 16:01:53 UTC - in response to Message 1538832.  

What does loss of net neutrality mean for volunteer computing? Quite possibly the end.
Most people in the United States only have access to one broadband provider. And the large broadband providers each cover a large fraction of the market. Comcast has been declaring for years that they would like to charge companies for access to their customers. In October of last year, Comcast and Verizon began throttling traffic from Netflix to their customers by 50% or more. These customers had paid Comcast and Verizon for access to the entire Internet, including Netflix.

What ever happened to this?

1890 was enacted "The Sherman Act" in the United States. It is the competition that often supplanted model of competition laws in other countries. The implication of this is that anti-competitive agreements and collaborations were banned. With the support of the Sherman Act could disproportionate penalties imposed. In some cases, dominant firms are forced to divide themselves into several companies or sell parts of the company.
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Message 1539172 - Posted: 10 Jul 2014, 16:04:45 UTC

I have filed public comment to both dockets. Thanks for the call to action Eric!
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Message 1539184 - Posted: 10 Jul 2014, 16:24:20 UTC - in response to Message 1538832.  

In Europe we went for net neutrality as well, but of course a large proportion of content comes from the US, so we're affected whether we like it or not :-/
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Message 1539186 - Posted: 10 Jul 2014, 16:27:52 UTC

By god they don't make it easy!

So... Full name and address all publicly displayed, and assumed that only America exists.


The comment link looks to be:

Comments - Protecting and Promoting the Open Internet


Hope there are enough Americans to stamp on the Hollywood and other media business takeover of the internet of the world. Should be none of their business!


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Message 1539188 - Posted: 10 Jul 2014, 16:30:17 UTC

My comment to the FCC,

The internet, though new compared to many technologies we use today, has quickly become a service that people rely on for most aspects of their daily lives. Most people rely on a fast reliable internet for Doing business, Entertainment, Commerce, even Basic Communication. For example many people use the internet for their home telephone service including 911 access.

Internet access should be treated as common carrier. If ISPs can’t afford to keep up with demand (which is not the case) they can charge more for access, i.e. raise their rates. They should not be allowed to give preferential treatment for some customers’ traffic over other customers’ traffic. This practice could and most likely would lead to unfair competitive advantages for the few companies that afford to pay for the preferential treatment.

In this country we supposedly have anti-trust laws that prevent large companies from gaining too much of an unfair advantage over other companies. It is the duty of the government to try and keep the playing field at least somewhat level. The FCC needs to do its duty as a regulating commission and prevent some companies form abusing their resources to gain an unreasonably unfair advantage over others.
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Message 1539189 - Posted: 10 Jul 2014, 16:32:57 UTC - in response to Message 1539186.  


The comment link looks to be:

Comments - Protecting and Promoting the Open Internet



Thanks. It appears they've removed the list of most active Proceedings. Apparently that made it too easy for the people to comment on important issues. That doesn't make it seem promising that our concerns will be heard.
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Message 1539191 - Posted: 10 Jul 2014, 16:38:07 UTC - in response to Message 1539189.  

I wondered when something like that would happen. I think it goes hand in hand with this...

Emergency data & telecommunications law to be passed

The EU pulled the directive back in April but our government are only acting now?

Putting the Net Neutrality into the jigsaw...
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Message 1539224 - Posted: 10 Jul 2014, 17:22:12 UTC

The following, as quoted in the Wall Street Journal.

The idea is that consumers should be able to access whatever content they choose, not the content chosen by the broadband provider

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Message 1539237 - Posted: 10 Jul 2014, 17:42:26 UTC - in response to Message 1538832.  

What does loss of net neutrality mean for volunteer computing? Quite possibly the end.

Hi Eric,

thank you for your post and this thread.

SETI@home is the scientific experiment that most excites the imagination of people worldwide.

I sure hope we don't lose SETI@home :(

Best Wishes
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Message 1539248 - Posted: 10 Jul 2014, 17:52:29 UTC

I just confirmed that my comments for 14-28 and 10-127 did get posted. Currently, my 14-28 comment is 20 pages in; and, 10-127 is five pages in.

I sincerely hope that we can stop the nonsense.
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Message 1539262 - Posted: 10 Jul 2014, 18:48:24 UTC

i think that the government is activley communicating with alien races,this is why we cant receive (FREE) television signals.everything has to go thru a filtering system before (FREE TV BOXES) SUPPLIED BY THE GOVERNMENT!!!they are affraid we mite hear something.next we will have (special radios)just to listen to the radio.i despise the idea that the gov. knows the truth and think they have the rite to hide these amazing things with the people.
i am 100% positive aliens exhist.you would have to be foolish not to.i really enjoyed being part of seti@home
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Message 1539270 - Posted: 10 Jul 2014, 19:10:01 UTC - in response to Message 1538992.  

I always thought the US like the UK was a land of competition and survival of the fittest!


Competition and Survival of the Fittest are the two stages of economic life. Competition occurs while many contenders are in the market. Survival of the Fittest (law of the jungle) begets monopoly, usually by protection or direct subsidy from government.
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Message 1539285 - Posted: 10 Jul 2014, 19:42:52 UTC

Welcome to the project Dana! I am not really following what's it all about yet:)
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