The wise do have to pick their way through the basket cases don't they Julie... :/

Thanks for the post Byron :) Of course there are a few out there on the planet who think there is nothing to worry about because that's what our turned off genes for gills and wings are for... :)

*sigh* have I been spending too much time reading up on intelligent design do you think? :)

[mutter]I need to find a brewery...[/mutter]

The end is nigh for this land of political (and corrupt?) denial?


Abbott completely isolated by Palmer's "inconvenient senate"

... Palmer's announcement effectively leaves Abbott completely isolated on climate policy, both domestically, and as Al Gore's presence demonstrates, internationally as well. It is remarkable that one of Australia's largest coal barons has firmly declared his support for renewables, taking action on global warming, and introducing an emissions trading scheme.

Senior leaders of some of the largest environment groups told me that they welcome Palmer's position on the renewable energy ... while approaching the details with caution and a large grain of salt. It was labelled as "definitely surprising", "very smart politically", "surprising" and "courageous"...

... Several recent polls showed that a large majority of 72 percent of Australians support keeping or expanding the renewable energy target. Similarly, the polls show that Australians support putting a price on carbon, and just 22 percent support the discredited "direct action" policy.

The Clean Energy Council was effusive in its congratulations. Deputy Chief Executive Kane Thornton described the announcement as "a Titanic boost for the clean energy industry". Increasing the proportion of Australia's energy from renewable sources would mean lower costs for consumers and potentially thousands of extra jobs...

... It is clear that Palmer (and Gore) has completely rewritten climate politics in Australia. Why he has done this is not clear, and there are elements of incomprehensibility in what has said.

However, as a political tactic, it could potentially be a master stroke, and consigns Abbott's almost non-existent climate policy to the dust bin. As Greenpeace's Pearson quipped, "tonight Al Gore has delivered Tony Abbott an inconvenient senate."


Quite a heavyweight whoosh and Aussie boomerang!


All on our only one planet,
Martin

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I'll live. So will the...

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Must not conflict resolve by suggesting that someone should go sit on an ice pick...

The end is nigh for this land of political (and corrupt?) denial?


Abbott completely isolated by Palmer's "inconvenient senate"

... Palmer's announcement effectively leaves Abbott completely isolated on climate policy, both domestically, and as Al Gore's presence demonstrates, internationally as well. It is remarkable that one of Australia's largest coal barons has firmly declared his support for renewables, taking action on global warming, and introducing an emissions trading scheme.

Senior leaders of some of the largest environment groups told me that they welcome Palmer's position on the renewable energy ... while approaching the details with caution and a large grain of salt. It was labelled as "definitely surprising", "very smart politically", "surprising" and "courageous"...

... Several recent polls showed that a large majority of 72 percent of Australians support keeping or expanding the renewable energy target. Similarly, the polls show that Australians support putting a price on carbon, and just 22 percent support the discredited "direct action" policy.

The Clean Energy Council was effusive in its congratulations. Deputy Chief Executive Kane Thornton described the announcement as "a Titanic boost for the clean energy industry". Increasing the proportion of Australia's energy from renewable sources would mean lower costs for consumers and potentially thousands of extra jobs...

... It is clear that Palmer (and Gore) has completely rewritten climate politics in Australia. Why he has done this is not clear, and there are elements of incomprehensibility in what has said.

However, as a political tactic, it could potentially be a master stroke, and consigns Abbott's almost non-existent climate policy to the dust bin. As Greenpeace's Pearson quipped, "tonight Al Gore has delivered Tony Abbott an inconvenient senate."


Quite a heavyweight whoosh and Aussie boomerang!


All on our only one planet,
Martin

Is it alright if we send The Mad Abbott back to where he came from?

That's London of course. ;-)

We here would at least be better off then. :-)

Cheers.

Is it alright if we send The Mad Abbott back to where he came from?

That's London of course. ;-)

We here would at least be better off then. :-)

Cheers.

Packing my bags now... just in case :)

Back in the 1970's I studied geology for a few years
The earth is due for a cool down so global warming may delay things a few years but ultimately it isn't going to matter much 'in the great scheme of things'
Although various greenhouse gases may be proliferating the last ~200 yrs it's only a temporary 'glitch'

CO-2 caused Global Warming: yet another false religion !!

Excellent. Good giggle! Thanks!!


Just beware the giggle of the old fossils keeping you ever more expensively on the old dirty stuff.

Is this yet another case of the old (dirty industry) hanging onto the past to try to delay being taken over by the new?...


All change.

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Moving pollution to a different country doesn't actually help anyone
The ' clean' electric vehicles are as 'dirty' plus just as wasteful as the the fossil fuel motors they supposedly replace (using 'clean' power? battery production, re-cycling, limited battery life, etc)
Fitting new more efficient motor to an old vehicle would save a lot of energy.
The pollution caused by production 30+ yrs ago is already out there, building new vehicles causes new pollution. Converting everything to renewable diesel would surely be a better way to move people around for personal transport?
Of course, the farm lobby would be mighty upset when they loose all the subsidies for inefficient corn production to convert to ethanol
AFAIK, rape seed has lower production costs and higher oil yield, it almost grows like weeds 'all over' Europe. Wouldn't that also help with greenhouse gas reduction or balance?

rape seed is sold as "Canola Oil" and costs as much or more than gasoline or Diesel fuel.

I would be in favor of eliminating ethanol from motor fuel I would get 5% better mileage and half priced (from now) meat.

rape seed is sold as "Canola Oil" and costs as much or more than gasoline or Diesel fuel.

I would be in favor of eliminating ethanol from motor fuel I would get 5% better mileage and half priced (from now) meat.

I don't know for certain but I think the 'food grade' is severely overpriced in USA, maybe due to lower production quantities?. I know my brother (in Britain) will go into a supermarket and buy half gallon for roughly same price as diesel 'at the pump'
Fuel grade could be (and is) produced substantially cheaper
I would also be in favor of removing ethanol, it's way overpriced due to subsidies, reduces fuel economy by a large amount (I'm sure I'm getting way more than 5% reduction) and causes a lot of problems in fuel systems (I'm a motorcycle mechanic and have to deal with corrosion problems on older bikes)

When you have DUMB DUMB Abbott as a pm then all bets about GW are off his idea for direct action is to allow dumping of waste on the great barrier Reef thanks Germany for stopping that 1 and to cut 70,000 hecters of native bush in a world heritage area in Tasmainia

I got a idea how to stop the Denial somebody send me a rifle and i'll get rid of our fascist joke of a pm

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I got a idea how to stop the Denial somebody send me a rifle and i'll get rid of our fascist joke of a pm

Glen that would not even slow down the forces that are behind him.

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Yes, Diesel is probably the equivalent of $7.00 per gallon in the continent and the UK so that makes it $14.00 per gallon of canola oil. It is cheaper here in the US comparable to gasoline--perhaps a little more. Given the law of supply and demand it would probably go up in price if it were in demand for motor fuel.

Gasoline here now is $3.50 per US gallon (roughly 4 liters for youse commies). Even at this price it is severely hurting our economy. Today I filled up my Honda Odyssey for around $70. I would much have preferred to fill up for only $20 and then have been able to afford some good steaks for $5.00 per pound (about a half Kilo) instead of the $10.00 per pound that we not pay due to too much of our corn going into ethanol. I wonder why do we do these stupid things to ourselves.

Just 60 years ago I remember Gasoline for as little as 19 cents per gallon. In high school (1960) I worked at a Gas station and regular gasoline was 24 cents and Premium was 26 cents. Kerosine (without road tax) (can be used as Diesel #2) was 19 cents. Even when I travelled in my car for the university of Illinois it was 33 cents per gallon as late as 1979.

Nixon and Kissinger told the Shah to quadruple the price of crude from $3 per barrel to $12 per barrel and buy arms and become the Middle East's Policeman. Then things just went to hell from there.

Some people run bio-diesel which is filtered, old fry-cook oil. I don't know it's cost.

I got a idea how to stop the Denial somebody send me a rifle and i'll get rid of our fascist joke of a pm

That post would get you a visit from the Secret Service in the US of A.
Secret Service to interview Ted Nugent

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Ya dam right there mate with PUP backing him . Clive Parmer the billionaire miner whom just happen to get approval to dig up Coal and extract gas by fracking in the Gallie Basin a Area the size off 2 states like Texas and he's the 1 pushing the development of a port in Qld and where they wanted to dump the waste on the reef but thanks to the money men in Germany they can't get the cash to go ahead with it .

and people say it's ok to have rich people like Clive in Gov.....bullshit all ways a conflict of interests when businessmen are running the country and should not be allowed sell all business before entering politics

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That post would get you a visit from the Secret Service in the US of A.

Batter up isn't the good old USA free .....anymore ?

It's why a lot of ozzy's hate this Fascist PM trying to turn our country into your country grrrrrrrrrrrrr

please send me a bazzoka I can't miss with 1 of them

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Yes, Diesel is probably the equivalent of $7.00 per gallon in the continent and the UK so that makes it $14.00 per gallon of canola oil. It is cheaper here in the US comparable to gasoline--perhaps a little more. Given the law of supply and demand it would probably go up in price if it were in demand for motor fuel.

Gasoline here now is $3.50 per US gallon (roughly 4 liters for youse commies). Even at this price it is severely hurting our economy. Today I filled up my Honda Odyssey for around $70. I would much have preferred to fill up for only $20 and then have been able to afford some good steaks for $5.00 per pound (about a half Kilo) instead of the $10.00 per pound that we not pay due to too much of our corn going into ethanol. I wonder why do we do these stupid things to ourselves.

Just 60 years ago I remember Gasoline for as little as 19 cents per gallon. In high school (1960) I worked at a Gas station and regular gasoline was 24 cents and Premium was 26 cents. Kerosine (without road tax) (can be used as Diesel #2) was 19 cents. Even when I travelled in my car for the university of Illinois it was 33 cents per gallon as late as 1979.

Nixon and Kissinger told the Shah to quadruple the price of crude from $3 per barrel to $12 per barrel and buy arms and become the Middle East's Policeman. Then things just went to hell from there.

Some people run bio-diesel which is filtered, old fry-cook oil. I don't know it's cost.

Hi William, I'm in Florida, prices are a bit higher for gas.
I'm led to believe re-cycled cooking oil is roughly 10 cents a gallon (US gal) It used to be free as restaurants had to pay to have it taken away but as there is now a demand for it they can charge to have it removed. I think Willie Nelson is a prime advocate of Bio-Diesel and has production facilities
supplying 'big-rigs' I'm sure your aware the diesel engine was originally designed to run on peanut oil

if the greens could they would that why they have been backing the carbon tax that will turn to a ETS next year if it's not repeald as a ETS is the most efficient and fear way to do it

Co2 stoped going up here in last 12mnths since the carbon tax was introduced

But now Clive and Abbott will repeal it and CO2 will rise

Direct action is crap if there is no incentive for business to upgrade or get new equipement they won't

Prof of this 30yrs from Meniees to Frazer and in 82 we nearly lost the steel industry and many other industries

You fail to understand whom Abbott is mate a walking Gorrilla that has cheated his way to the top

even in the states you don't stop unemployment until after the first 12 months this prick want to stop under 30's from getting unemployment for the first 6 months that's backward and cruel and even ppl in his party have said so like his mentor John Howard the ex pm

and as the Royal commissions are showing the Liberal party are dirty and even more corrupt than Labour at least under Labour you would get cought not the Lib's all hush hush you help me i'll help you , nudge nudge wink wink

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Clyde I understand it better than you think watch a doco called FOOD INC it's about America food industry and you should understand why I am totally against rich ppl entering politics while they still own company's or large shareholdings in company's it can and should be stoped

As soon as Clive said he was entering politics I knew why he had a law suit against the fed gov about the carbon tax didn't want to pay so was sewing them

I have even called him out on it via twitter at #auspol Australian politics

he said he wasn't going to vote and abstain but he shows his real colours now

I've been quiet on twitter for a week or so but Clive I'm coming bro now your showing ya colours and they don't like being called out in twitter most of the pollies here watch #auspol a lot and you can infulace them

Maybe you Yanks should start doing it over there calling ya pollies out in a public arena like twitter

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