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Message 1540635 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 1:50:43 UTC - in response to Message 1540615.  
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A minister of misinformation I take it
No a real minister, I can perform marriages in all 50 states.
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so if your a minister can you answer this question ?
I could answer but I didn't say I was a Christian minister.
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Message 1540862 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 14:03:46 UTC
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"I could answer but I didn't say I was a Christian minister."

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Message 1540916 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 15:24:15 UTC - in response to Message 1540597.  

[url]Comet's, Jellystone National Park with Yogi, all better odds then global warming killing us...[/url]

Global warming isn't going to kill Humans that's what is the problem ppl like you don't get read your bible it say's the end will come like a theif in the night .


what is so sinister about GW and higher CO2 is the effects of not enough O2 the first effect is BAD JUDEMENT , which will probably lead to some war

mm CRIMEA the Middle east getting way out of control that mite wipe us out but if not we will still be here but not as we are ,more probably back to a primitive version

AND REMEMBER THIS I.D THE DINO"S ARE STILL WITH US just not 60 feet tall anymore there called birds now EVOLUTION

but that ok I know you think god was so dumb he needed a slide rule and pen to design everything in the Cosmos , your GOD must be real stupid


Are you going to come to a point? It would be nice.

Odds of being killed by a 10 mile comet or Jellystone blowing up are still better then being killed by global warming. Hands down, this is a fact... LOL!
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Message 1540964 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 16:08:46 UTC - in response to Message 1540862.  

"I could answer but I didn't say I was a Christian minister."

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So that explains Batter Up!
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Message 1541178 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 22:55:25 UTC

Batter up I win you gave 1 of 3 answers all minister give to that question as a minister you know dam well what I am going on about . And now you know I know a lot about religen so to use your own words

Don't get me started .........hehehe

ps. I have the Torah Code on my computer and use it a lot so when I give a warning as

The Keeper OF The Torah Code my ultra ego you might want to listen
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Message 1541184 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 23:12:25 UTC - in response to Message 1541178.  

Batter up I win you gave 1 of 3 answers all minister give to that question as a minister you know dam well what I am going on about .

If it is inaccuracies or contradictions in the Bible you haven't been following Batter Up's posts.
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The Bible does say the value of π is 3.

1 Kings 7:23
Now he made the sea of cast metal ten cubits from brim to brim, circular in form, and its height was five cubits, and thirty cubits in circumference.

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Message 1541201 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 23:46:03 UTC - in response to Message 1541184.  

Batter up we better leave it there as this is the wrong thread to have a conversation about the bible .
Plus I am already cursed for figuring out the timeline of I believe Daniels profercy . Of corse the minister that I told it to at a bible reading forgot to tell me about the curse that came with it . He then tells me after asking me what I thought . He whanted to know more about how I figured it out but I have never gone back

As the bible says the truth is out there you only have to open your eyes and ears and mind to find it
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Message 1541202 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 23:46:10 UTC

There is a 100% chance that neither one of you know a thing about the Bible or climate. The only thing I have seen out of the both of you is a bastardization of both subjects.

You're both overthinking the Bible and underthinking the climate.

I deny that either of you are on topic.
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Message 1541211 - Posted: 13 Jul 2014, 23:57:20 UTC - in response to Message 1541202.  

[url]You're both overthinking the Bible and underthinking the climate[/url]

dam it why that not woeking the URL Thing grrrrrr


I.D I think you have a case of kettle calling pot black ........GOD needed a slide rule hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Message 1541218 - Posted: 14 Jul 2014, 0:12:17 UTC - in response to Message 1541211.  
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Glenn savill wrote:
dam it why that not woeking the URL Thing grrrrrr

format is
[url=http://junk.science]Text to click[/url]
or
[url]http://junk.science[/url]


http://www.bbcode.org/reference.php
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Message 1541220 - Posted: 14 Jul 2014, 0:12:33 UTC

I still deny that you are on topic...
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Message 1541479 - Posted: 14 Jul 2014, 11:03:10 UTC
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Are religion and politics and big business in denial of the real world and of world pollution for the sake of their own selfish continued existence?...

And Marketing and Markets control are their tools.


Are we Biblically doomed by such denial?!


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Message 1541700 - Posted: 14 Jul 2014, 20:39:45 UTC - in response to Message 1541479.  

Are religion and politics and big business in denial of the real world and of world pollution for the sake of their own selfish continued existence?...

And Marketing and Markets control are their tools.


Are we Biblically doomed by such denial?!


All on our only one planet,
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You don't believe in God. So why are you primadonnaing about the Bible?
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Message 1541729 - Posted: 14 Jul 2014, 21:10:08 UTC - in response to Message 1541700.  
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Are religion and politics and big business in denial of the real world and of world pollution for the sake of their own selfish continued existence?...

And Marketing and Markets control are their tools.


Are we Biblically doomed by such denial?!

You don't believe in God. So why are you primadonnaing about the Bible?

In religion you make up our own beliefs and a made-up reality to deliberately be divorced from reality. My reflection on the unreality of the Markets is merely an unholy wry parody.


And the real world be damned for the sake of "fiscal manoeuvrings"...


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Message 1541734 - Posted: 14 Jul 2014, 21:18:33 UTC

Meanwhile, the Denial has to deny ever more about the world we are wringing with what industrial-scale Fossils pollution has wrought:


8 charts that show how climate change is making the world more dangerous

Disasters including storms, floods and heatwaves have increased fivefold since the 1970s...

... The first decade of the 21st century saw 3,496 natural disasters from floods, storms, droughts and heat waves. That was nearly five times as many disasters as the 743 catastrophes reported during the 1970s – and all of those weather events are influenced by climate change.

The bottom line: natural disasters are occurring nearly five times as often as they were in the 1970s. But some disasters – such as floods and storms – pose a bigger threat than others. Flooding and storms are also taking a bigger bite out of the economy. But heat waves are an emerging killer...




And yet the Denialists want yet MORE:

Arctic oil: it is madness to celebrate a new source of fossil fuels

As the first barrels head for Europe, we cannot afford – and do not need – new sources of harder to reach fossil fuels...

... This is the oil from the rig that the Arctic 30 went to jail for peacefully protesting against. It has been logistically challenging. Extracting even small amounts of oil in extreme Arctic conditions has taken them longer, and cost them more, than the company had planned.

But Gazprom has done it and claims first place in the race to exploit the melting Arctic sea ice for more of the fossil fuels that caused the melting in the first place. It is a defining moment...




Madness? Utter divorced from reality madness?


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Message 1541752 - Posted: 14 Jul 2014, 21:54:45 UTC

Global warming/climate change is a made up deal to make the super rich richer! Look to your God Al Gore! See him cut back yet? DAMN! Wake up!
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Message 1541975 - Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 10:49:00 UTC - in response to Message 1541752.  

Global warming/climate change is a made up deal to make the super rich richer! DAMN! Wake up!


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Message 1541979 - Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 11:08:45 UTC

Global warming/climate change DENIAL is to make the super rich richer! DAMN! Wake up!
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Message 1542000 - Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 11:59:23 UTC - in response to Message 1541752.  

Global warming/climate change is a made up deal to make the super rich richer! Look to your God Al Gore! See him cut back yet? DAMN! Wake up!

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First it does not matter if it gets hotter or cooler changing weather is bad first.

while seeing the sahara desert arable again as it has been in the past may be niece.

The disruption to farms and the raising of livestock will cause great hardship.

So what should be done? The planetary weather is undeniably changing this is

nothing new weather changes. As recently as the 1850's there was an ice age.

So understanding and possibly changing weather is important.

Next fossil fuels have been important only because they where cheap this is no longer so.

And only three things can be done now or soon to replace it.

1)tidal power it is much more concentrated than wind and more predictable.

but it has the downside of having to be so large that it too will affect weather.

2) Thorium cycle nuclear reactors the good news here is that they can burn the

nuclear waste from current fast breeder reactors that we now use and they will

burn the other 98% of the nuclear material that is not used in current reactors.

the bad news is that while it is much safer than current designs it is still

nuclear and will be hard to sell although it is about the only way rapidly

reduce the radioactivity of the waste we now have.

3) Fusion the Skunkworks at Northrop Aviation says that they can have a

100 megawatt prototype by 2017 and a production line within ten years of that.

with adequate cheap power the pollution can be cleaned up and everyone can have an American life style.
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Message 1542044 - Posted: 15 Jul 2014, 13:35:13 UTC
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Global warming/climate change is a made up deal to make the super rich richer! Look to your God Al Gore! See him cut back yet? DAMN! Wake up!

ID - you have issues with Al Gore. I understand that. I get highly offended too by politicians jetting about from photo opportunity to photo opportunity and achieving nothing except great big polluted buttprints and masses of hot air venting from them. But, I have only ever heard you call this butt a god. Could you cite another source do you think - or at least point me towards one? :)

Moving away from the god that brings on outrage, to the One Martin raised...

Are we Biblically doomed by such denial?!

... which you took exception to.

You don't believe in God. So why are you primadonnaing about the Bible?


I notice you took no high moral ground with regards the wealth encrusting the politics and big business of denial that Martin was referring to at the start of his post. It leaves me thinking that wealth is not what offends you at all. Just which hands it is in. If I have jumped to the wrong conclusion, I am sure you will tell me so :)

Now I hope everyone will forgive me if I just pose something for a moment :) It has arisen through researching the basis of opposition to natural selection (and tracing the funding of its science to some of the individual benefactors behind it). This is not the place to go into it - but if I may float the idea and get some opinions on it, I would be grateful :)

The desire to have armageddon prophecies proven "right" has gotten stronger and stronger amongst Christian fundamentalists, particularly as the battle is being lost on numbers. (Perhaps they look forward to an end of their energy problems by tapping into the eternal fires of hell, I don't know.) But anything that can hurry that along is increasingly being seen as doing the Lords's work. Nothing horrifies the religious extremist more than having their efforts being undermined right under their nose. Compared to the (albeit brutal) honesty of the jihad, denying climate change yet attributing it's effects to the start of the end of days seems disturbingly common - much like the hysteria over the blood moons tiresomely foretelling the second coming (or have I just been spending too much time reading some really dodgy stuff on the internet :)) but it is a very devious way of making the ends justify the means surely?

Can you reassure me that this is not part of your reasoning ID? I ask because I personally know a number of Christians (some creationists, and others intelligent design believers) for whom it very much is and who see continuing to pollute the planet as hastening utopia. I of course disagree with them (in my usual gentle fashion :)) but I cannot fault their honesty.

(edited to remove potentially insulting quotation marks from the word science :))
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