I would like to know what evidence suggests it is a likely hypothesis, and what tests can be done to falsify it?

Well, you're the one challenging it, you come up with the answers.

Ummm... no... it's your theory and you should provide the tests you've done that have brought you to the conclusion so that I can attempt to do the same and compare notes and account for bias. That's how science works.

Scientists don't just spout ideas and expect everyone else to prove them wrong. Scientists state a hypothesis, test it, observe and record the results until eventually they feel confident enough with their data to publish it for peer review, where everyone else takes the notes, re-creates the experiments to see if they come up with the same results. You know... that entire process that you repeatedly claim is only to allow scientists to get paid. And yes, they use models to simulate complex things to gain a better understanding since most don't have a pocket Universe creator at their disposal. ;-) ...

Good summary.

Shame that aspect often gets lost or deliberately ignored by those spouting that whatever is "only a theory" in a disparaging way as though there is no meaning or reality.

Meanwhile, as a counterpoint, fools can (randomly) ask far more (random) questions than anyone can possibly answer...


Keep searchin',
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... still searching though... bye! :) *trundle* *trundle*

Hehe You do have a way with words. I love it!

Cue imaginings of some wooden wheeled wonder from the magic of Hogwarts, dissolving into coloured mist and strange squeaks...

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I can add a tiny bit of evidence to the bubble theory.
One section of our known universe seems to be slowly moving to a single direction. This is many galaxies, in a particular quadrant, seeming to move in a direction different than the normal expansion. The only way I know how to explain that, is by some other huge gravitational force. Perhaps, there has been another bubble, but so far away, we can only detect the edge of our own known universe moving towards it, even though it might be further away than our perception allows.

This is weak evidence at best, but plausible,

Steve

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There is also the nagging question. What was before the big bang?

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My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

There is also the nagging question. What was before the big bang?

That question, nags me also. According to Lawrence M. Krauss, it can.



http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/other-shows/videos/other-shows-how-the-universe-works-videos.htm

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It's the Mark-all-over-it one Chris, bit like this only not so posh... :)



If I could just get it past security at even one science lab they may find it pre-dates the big bang and then we could all stop worrying about that :) (There's quite a bit of string tied round it holding it together too. Coincidence? I think not. Evidence? Who knows :)

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That's what the string is mostly for actually ML1, keeping the wheels on :)

Reading lots of 'research' doesn't make it any better...

Oh Julie that's so true - although the funny thing about M-theory is that I sort of understand it quite a lot when I'm reading about it, but not a lot at all when I stop.

I can add a tiny bit of evidence to the bubble theory.

Hi SciManStev - that is most intriguing! And Chris and Grant will be pleased :)

perhaps it's time for me to leave the community and find a different one.

OzzFan... Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! :)

Well it should be obvious that the EGG came first. You don't just start with a whole chicken suddenly appearing.

Where did the egg come from ? you ask. Why from a chicken of course !!

You got me pondering there William... I think in fact scientists are getting very close to finding out the answer once and for all... well... it shouldn't be long now anyway... :)




[aside] Hi Splottboy - hope you're finding all this helpful :) Please let me know if I get too technical at any point :) (Seriously now anniet!) I think the inclusion of "Blooper" in the thread title might have led some of me a little astray - apologies :)[/aside]

There is also the nagging question. What was before the big bang?

There is no before. Time was started at the Big Bang.
Tullio

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There is also the nagging question. What was before the big bang?

There is no before. Time was started at the Big Bang.
Tullio

Okay, What made it bang, forget time, for now.

Something can't come from nothing?

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There is also the nagging question. What was before the big bang?

There is no before. Time was started at the Big Bang.
Tullio

Yes, but what was before?? *sigh*

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There is also the nagging question. What was before the big bang?

There is no before. Time was started at the Big Bang.
Tullio

Okay, What made it bang, forget time, for now.

Something can't come from nothing?

You're right Lynn! THere must've been something, maybe another universe where the big bang sprouted out...who knows...nobody, that's just it...

The beginning of matter, I can understand, the beginning of time becomes more difficult...and then there's the akasha field and the 11 dimensions not to speak about that illusive 'dark energy' *sigh*

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There is also the nagging question. What was before the big bang?

There is no before. Time was started at the Big Bang.
Tullio

Okay, What made it bang, forget time, for now.

Something can't come from nothing?

You're right Lynn! THere must've been something, maybe another universe where the big bang sprouted out...who knows...nobody, that's just it...

The beginning of matter, I can understand, the beginning of time becomes more difficult...and then there's the akasha field and the 11 dimensions not to speak about that illusive 'dark energy' *sigh*

Julie infinity is hard for anyone to grasp. :(

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It is for humans Grant, because we live in a finite world, not an in-finite one.

Very true Chris

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There is also the nagging question. What was before the big bang?

There is no before. Time was started at the Big Bang.
Tullio

Okay, What made it bang, forget time, for now.

Something can't come from nothing?

You're right Lynn! THere must've been something, maybe another universe where the big bang sprouted out...who knows...nobody, that's just it...

The beginning of matter, I can understand, the beginning of time becomes more difficult...and then there's the akasha field and the 11 dimensions not to speak about that illusive 'dark energy' *sigh*

Julie infinity is hard for anyone to grasp. :(

Thank you Grant:) Been wondering about the Universe since I was a kid. It's 'something' we live in, in balance, everything seems so balanced at times, every celestial body influences another. I'm not that much into Humanities but sometimes it makes sense:) Cheers!

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It seems bubbles are not a new idea

Fermi

Oh no Chris it's surely not.

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@Steve - fascinating, got any more on that?

I only learned that the galaxies in a certain quadrant of the universe were moving in one direction though one of the many science shows I watch. They did not suggest that it was caused by another universe, but working in my own frame of understanding, a very large concentration of gravity could cause that. As far as I know, there is nothing to prevent a second universe from forming, but the distance would be so far away, detecting it other than galaxies moving toward something may be forever impossible.

The only thing that is certain, it that this is not a static universe. There is only so much fuel in this universe, and even though it is a huge amount, it is not infinite. A static universe would not make any sense, and doesn't fit the evidence.

That leaves us with two possibilities for the eventual end of the universe. First is what is called the big crunch. the gravity of the existing system would eventually slow the expansion, and collapse the universe back to a tiny area. from the continued acceleration of the expansion, and the calculated amount of mass in the universe, this has been ruled out.

That leaves a forever expanding universe until all the stars go dark, and the black holes eventually evaporate by Hawking radiation.

I am not stating there is more than one universe, but physics as I understand it does not prevent the possibility.

Steve

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I'm not sure whether I care if the universe and time are finite or infinite since my time here is surely finite.

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I'm not sure whether I care if the universe and time are finite or infinite since my time here is surely finite.

Here, where is here? Remember wherever you go there you are.

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I'm not sure whether I care if the universe and time are finite or infinite since my time here is surely finite.

Here, where is here? Remember wherever you go there you are.

That's good I'd say, otherwise you could lose your mind somewhere out there:)

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That's good I'd say, otherwise you could lose your mind somewhere out there:)

Of all the things I lost I miss my mind the most.

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That's good I'd say, otherwise you could lose your mind somewhere out there:)

Of all the things I lost I miss my mind the most.

Oh my, time you found it my friend.

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