But I will always protest against the commercial hunting of whales and any and all inhumane methods of slaughter, not just of whales.

I think we all do.
But when economy and espacially big companies are digging for profit then its start to be ugly. No rules apply.

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Do not be confused by the starved brutality used to 'train' captured dolphins to blindly do circus tricks in commercial aquariums...


Disgusted with the continued senseless Japanese whaling corruption!
Martin

My brother was an animal trainer at SeaWorld Orlando. He would be offended by your remarks. They did not brutalize any of the dolphins, Killer whales, sea lions or any of the other aquatic mammals at the park.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Bod places like Seaworld have a bad reputation not so much for the way they treat them but more because whales and Dolphins are not just smart but have personalities and many have gone mad being locked up in small tank's , (yes i know there not small ) but for a animal like whales or dolphins there are .

We here in Australia export live cattle and sheep to other country's .

Only about 2 yrs ago the Labour Gov stopped it when a report came out about how the animals where being treated once they got there and the way they where killed.

Which compared to the way we kill them in our abattoirs is cruel .

Hallal. is B/s and is used by Islam as a excuse not to buy meat here and why we now export the live animals , the only difference between Hallal meat and other meat is a priest comes and says a blessing .But the way they kill them is cruel.

When i first left school one of me first jobs was in a big abattoir and our abattoirs are no where near as cruel .As the country's we are sending these animals too and should be stopped but that is not going to happen while Mad Monk is in power .

I don't like it when they kill carf's tho i think that is cruel we should let the animal at least live a bit before we kill them , it's like killing baby's and is wrong

But won't stop me eating meat just some types like veal .

Time to have a roo sandwich yumm (yes i am talking Kangaroo ) very nice and healthy better than beef or sheep or pig

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Back then, they slaughtered the cows alive, and it was horrifying.

As opposed to what?

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

Back then, they slaughtered the cows alive, and it was horrifying.

As opposed to what?

Forgive me if I don't use the correct terms.

Back in the 50's, as I saw, and my Great Uncle said was 'normal': The Alive cows were forcibly driven into neck stockades, and their throats were slit, while they are alive. Don't need to be more graphic. They then 'hung up' the cows.

Today. They first kill the cow, and I hope other's, with an 'airgun shot' to the head.

Ah i see, so the difference is whether the animal is conscious.

Your earlier statement made it sound like you objected to killing the cow while it was alive, it would be hard to do otherwise.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

Back then, they slaughtered the cows alive, and it was horrifying.

As opposed to what?

Forgive me if I don't use the correct terms.

Back in the 50's, as I saw, and my Great Uncle said was 'normal': The Alive cows were forcibly driven into neck stockades, and their throats were slit, while they are alive. Don't need to be more graphic. They then 'hung up' the cows.

Today. They first kill the cow, and I hope other's, with an 'airgun shot' to the head.

Ah i see, so the difference is whether the animal is conscious.

Your earlier statement made it sound like you objected to killing the cow while it was alive, it would be hard to do otherwise.

At least today, they are dead BEFORE the slaughter.

Also cannot understand Boiling Lobster's ALIVE! That's Barbaric!

They are not dead first Clyde.

Abattoirs these days use captive bolt guns to render the animal unconscious before they're hung and have their throats cut so the the heart can pump most of the blood out.

You'd think for an ex-cop you'd get your facts straight first (seeing as you hit others up for making similar errors).

Cheers.

At least today, they are dead BEFORE the slaughter.

Also cannot understand Boiling Lobster's ALIVE! That's Barbaric!

Some say it improves the flavour, although i've heard that in blind tastings no-one has yet managed to tell the difference.
It has also been suggested that since lobsters only have a very primative nervous system, they're incapable of feeling pain. That may be true, but why take the chance? It only takes two seconds to put a knife through the back of their neck, and remove all doubt.

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

At least today, they are dead BEFORE the slaughter.

Also cannot understand Boiling Lobster's ALIVE! That's Barbaric!

Some say it improves the flavour, although i've heard that in blind tastings no-one has yet managed to tell the difference.
It has also been suggested that since lobsters only have a very primative nervous system, they're incapable of feeling pain. That may be true, but why take the chance? It only takes two seconds to put a knife through the back of their neck, and remove all doubt.

We have a tradition in our country in august to fish crayfish and having a great party eating them. Kräftskiva it's called. In Lousiana USA as well:)
I have cooked crayfishes (and lobsters) but its a bit uncomfortable.
Feeling their muscles strain because their pain they are feeling near the boiling water.
Suggest that killing them with a knife first sounds cruel to me.
No. Put them one by one in the boiling water with there head first quickly.
They die in less of a second

Hallal. is B/s and is used by Islam as a excuse not to buy meat here and why we now export the live animals , the only difference between Hallal meat and other meat is a priest comes and says a blessing .But the way they kill them is cruel.

Glenn you are ignorant:)
The say "Bismillah" in respect of the animal and of God.
Read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal
Generally, killing animals in Islam is permissible for two main reasons:
To be eaten.
To eliminate their danger, e.g., a rabid dog.

The Swedish Wikipedia http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal explains its further

In Islam traditional Muslim call the slaughter 'dhabh' or 'zabiha'

Most Muslims in Sweden accept anesthesia with electricity or with a bolt gun, because in both cases the animal does not die before the bleeding. Electricity additionally also damage not the animal. Stunning procedure purpose is to prevent pain and suffering during sectioning of the neck and the Stun effect makes it possible to bleed the animals without placing it in a restraint system for a longer time. Swedish slaughtered at slaughterhouses thus animals for Halal meat in the same way as for other meat. The only difference is that the butcher does not pronounce the Islamic god's name, which is required to slaughter should be considered a Muslim religious slaughter.

BS? Halal sounds very much like Kosher to me:)

Glenn. Dont you have muslims and jews in Australia?

Time to have a roo sandwich yumm (yes i am talking Kangaroo ) very nice and healthy better than beef or sheep or pig

Indead. Much more healthy! Low fat. But lamb is also low fat meat.
Cute animals when they are young but tastes nice.

Halal sounds very much like Kosher to me:)

I was told, by a Muslim co-worker, a few years ago, that if a follower of Islam has no alternative: They may buy from, or eat in, a Kosher Establishment, because the Religious Dietary Laws are similar.

I know. I have friends who are muslims and jews.
But they are not practicing religion.
Just as we dont.

Halal sounds very much like Kosher to me:)

I was told, by a Muslim co-worker, a few years ago, that if a follower of Islam has no alternative: They may buy from, or eat in, a Kosher Establishment, because the Religious Dietary Laws are similar.

I know. I have friends who are muslims and jews.
But they are not practicing religion.
Just as we dont.

Here in The USA, most people profess to 'Believing', including some of my friends. A large percentage actually Practice their Religion. Hopefully they get it right someday. Just kidding.

When referring to Muslims, I was speaking of those who follow their Dietary Laws.

But they are few:)
Once I was in Casablanca Marocko in a party at Ben's place.
Yes. Both wine and hashish served.
Eating cous cous with meatballs made of horse meat(!) (I forgot horse about magnificant animals)
The 10 year old brother to Ben had to go for buy more wines.
Ben's sister had to do all kitchen work like a slave.
One of guest looking at a Playboy Magazine while saying Allahu Akbar.
Female dancing whithout Burkha.

Jan as i said i worked in a Slaughter house and we produced Halai meat there the only difference was the animal had to be blessed first.

Have you seen how they kill cows in Indonesia ? or the middle east ? they do not make the animal unconscious in fact the animals are so scared they tremble i've seen it , it freaking very cruel

They tie the legs up all 4 of them so the animal can't run away and then just slit there throat and the line the animals up togeather . The animals can see what is going on and i have never seen cows tremble like i have seen these poor animals do .The animal don't just see them get killed but they also see them skin'd and gutted right there in front of them witch take a while so the animal has to stand there for a while till it's there turn .

Even i was shocked at the way they do it .

Shore the animal knows something is going on in a modern slaughter house but they don't see what happen's to them after they enter the holding pen and they are not in that part for long enough to really get that scared . There is no mone's or noise from the animals . It's quick and quiet compeared to what they do in the middle east or Indonesia the most populace Islamic country there is on the planet.

It's why the gov stepped in and stopped the export of live animals from our country until they brought the slaughterhouses up to our standard and started to use holding pens and a bolt gun .They now have to go through a Standards check from the boat to the slaughter house and if anything is not right then they can't get the animals

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Jan as i said i worked in a Slaughter house and we produced Halai meat there the only difference was the animal had to be blessed first.

Have you seen how they kill cows in Indonesia ? or the middle east ? they do not make the animal unconscious in fact the animals are so scared they tremble i've seen it , it freaking very cruel

They tie the legs up all 4 of them so the animal can't run away and then just slit there throat and the line the animals up togeather . The animals can see what is going on and i have never seen cows tremble like i have seen these poor animals do .The animal don't just see them get killed but they also see them skin'd and gutted right there in front of them witch take a while so the animal has to stand there for a while till it's there turn .

Even i was shocked at the way they do it .

Shore the animal knows something is going on in a modern slaughter house but they don't see what happen's to them after they enter the holding pen and they are not in that part for long enough to really get that scared . There is no mone's or noise from the animals . It's quick and quiet compeared to what they do in the middle east or Indonesia the most populace Islamic country there is on the planet.

It's why the gov stepped in and stopped the export of live animals from our country until they brought the slaughterhouses up to our standard and started to use holding pens and a bolt gun .They now have to go through a Standards check from the boat to the slaughter house and if anything is not right then they can't get the animals

"Jan as i said i worked in a Slaughter house" Now I remember. It was in the thread about the MH17 crash and you thought about the smell.

Slaughter house/abattoir in Indonesia torturing cows all for Islams halal. The reason these cows are not killed humanely is because Muslims believe that animals need to have their throats slit while conscious and facing mecca.
The murderers are trained by Australians and they use Australian equipment!

Here is video of the 'procedure'
Actually I couldnt see the full video because its really disgusting and horrofying:(
Dont see this if your are fond of animals!!!
http://ingengornagot.blogspot.se/2011/06/video-halalslakt-av-kor-i-indonesien.html

Yes Jan that is the vid that was aired on the T.V and why the Gov stopped it . The report is not correct as those men where not trained by Australia even tho the report says they where . That is why we stopped it . The government did not know that was going on . The slaughterhouse where supposed to use a bolt gun and knock the animal out in the pen but as you can see that was not happening . They used the excuse that they did not have the money to buy the holding pens or bolt guns but that was also B/S .

Most Australians are totally against live exports but guess whom has now started it back up with gusto

MAD MONK and the LIBERAL/NATIONAL party or as it's called here the LNP .

Our slaughterhouse are not like that we kill them humanely

I do know what halal is . I also know there are certain animals they can't eat and certain parts . But the main part of halal is the blessing . So i am not ignorant of Islam . I own the KORAN a English Arabic version . They are also supposed to kill the animal in a certain way . The animal is not supposed to see the knife and it is supposed to done in a humane way eg: not the way the last abattoir did it with the animals able to see the whole process . So they do not kill the animals even in the way the KORAN says it's supposed to be done .

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I do know what halal is . I also know there are certain animals they can't eat and certain parts . But the main part of halal is the blessing . So i am not ignorant of Islam . I own the KORAN a English Arabic version . They are also supposed to kill the animal in a certain way . The animal is not supposed to see the knife and it is supposed to done in a humane way eg: not the way the last abattoir did it with the animals able to see the whole process . So they do not kill the animals even in the way the KORAN says it's supposed to be done .

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