Ive got a 4600+ at 2.4 ghz. Runs fine. I added a 660 GTX card to it ( switched out an 8600 GT) and my rac went from 780 or so to 7k or so. So Yea, 4600+ works fine

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Also it is worth noting that there is no real advantage to going from 32-bit to 64-bit for SETI@home. As all of the apps are 32-bit

We are working to change that. x64 "should" be faster for CPU apps...

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Also it is worth noting that there is no real advantage to going from 32-bit to 64-bit for SETI@home. As all of the apps are 32-bit

We are working to change that. x64 "should" be faster for CPU apps...

Always good news to hear of such news. Even if the apps may be a few releases away.
IIRC the reason for no x64 apps last time was "little to no improvement running native x64 apps vs x86 apps".

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Ive got a 4600+ at 2.4 ghz. Runs fine. I added a 660 GTX card to it ( switched out an 8600 GT) and my rac went from 780 or so to 7k or so. So Yea, 4600+ works fine

Exactly.

Spending the $$ on a relatively cheap mid range graphics card will do something useful. The old CPU will have plenty enough grunt to feed a GPU like that.

And if you want to play some shoot-em-up or flight-sim, it will help there too.

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Well, to answer the big question about PCI-e, there IS a slot available on the motherboard that is NOT PCI; however, I don't know 100% if it is PCI-e. So, to answer the question about the new NVIDIA card, it is PCI, NOT PCI-e, and was $49 + Tax. It has 512 MB RAM and has both DVI and VGA ports.

If you all are 90% sure that HP made that other slot PCI-e, I have, (new in box from 2006), an ATI Radeon X1950 Pro with 512 MB RAM DDR3. Otherwise, I will stick with the new PCI NVIDIA card.

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...and, YES, I plan to use the machine for daily use and some gaming of the original StarCraft and BroodWar. As stated, I have an OEM copy of XP Pro X64 that I can install with the existing 2GB RAM; however, with XP support ending now in 2015, I thought it would be worth it to have Win 7 Pro on the machine, and both Vista and Win 7 run better with 4 GB RAM than 2 GB RAM, so I'd be willing to spend the $200 to make this a Win 7 Pro machine.

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Also, Linux is out of the question; because, you can't view You-Tube Videos or anything else that requires Flash because Flash support is gone on Linux, now. I've tried other support for Flash in Linux, I think Linux SUCKS for the everyday average user. If I get this HP machine, I'm permanently retiring the Linux box I've set up. I'm VERY dis-satisfied with my Linux experience.

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I just updated Flash on my 2 Linux boxes. The release is 11.2.202.336.
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I just updated Flash on my 2 Linux boxes. The release is 11.2.202.336.
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...and, it doesn't work!!! I've tried!!! All I get is a blank, black screen.

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...and, you can't play PC Games on it; either! I've tried Wine, and it SUCKS!!! Mouse movement is jittery and sluggish. (StarCraft and BroodWar)

Windows is much better, and MAC is superior, but too expensive right now.

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...and, YES, I plan to use the machine for daily use and some gaming of the original StarCraft and BroodWar. As stated, I have an OEM copy of XP Pro X64 that I can install with the existing 2GB RAM; however, with XP support ending now in 2015, I thought it would be worth it to have Win 7 Pro on the machine, and both Vista and Win 7 run better with 4 GB RAM than 2 GB RAM, so I'd be willing to spend the $200 to make this a Win 7 Pro machine.

Others have already said that but I'll join the club. Putting $200 on that machine is waste of money. It's old and it's slow. I know, I have one.

For $200 you can get a refurbished/used Core 2 Duo / 4 GB / Win7 machine. For daily use that's going to be heck of a lot faster. See e.g. Best Buy, Newegg, eBay.

...and, YES, I plan to use the machine for daily use and some gaming of the original StarCraft and BroodWar. As stated, I have an OEM copy of XP Pro X64 that I can install with the existing 2GB RAM; however, with XP support ending now in 2015, I thought it would be worth it to have Win 7 Pro on the machine, and both Vista and Win 7 run better with 4 GB RAM than 2 GB RAM, so I'd be willing to spend the $200 to make this a Win 7 Pro machine.

Others have already said that but I'll join the club. Putting $200 on that machine is waste of money. It's old and it's slow. I know, I have one.

For $200 you can get a refurbished/used Core 2 Duo / 4 GB / Win7 machine. For daily use that's going to be heck of a lot faster. See e.g. Best Buy, Newegg, eBay.

There is a Optiplex 760 at Newegg with Win 7 Pro x64 for $175. For that kind of money I may need to grab a few of those after my tax refund comes in.

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...and, YES, I plan to use the machine for daily use and some gaming of the original StarCraft and BroodWar. As stated, I have an OEM copy of XP Pro X64 that I can install with the existing 2GB RAM; however, with XP support ending now in 2015, I thought it would be worth it to have Win 7 Pro on the machine, and both Vista and Win 7 run better with 4 GB RAM than 2 GB RAM, so I'd be willing to spend the $200 to make this a Win 7 Pro machine.

Others have already said that but I'll join the club. Putting $200 on that machine is waste of money. It's old and it's slow. I know, I have one.

For $200 you can get a refurbished/used Core 2 Duo / 4 GB / Win7 machine. For daily use that's going to be heck of a lot faster. See e.g. Best Buy, Newegg, eBay.

There is a Optiplex 760 at Newegg with Win 7 Pro x64 for $175. For that kind of money I may need to grab a few of those after my tax refund comes in.

That looks like a Small Form Factor case. Be careful of the limited cooling, if you want to run distributed computing on it.

That looks like a Small Form Factor case. Be careful of the limited cooling, if you want to run distributed computing on it.

Yeah, my host 6912878 is SFF, an Optiplex GX620. Not only is cooling an issue (it has the loudest fan of any of my machines) but GPU space is quite limited. I could only put a half-height card in mine.

There is a Optiplex 760 at Newegg with Win 7 Pro x64 for $175. For that kind of money I may need to grab a few of those after my tax refund comes in.

While the price is low, it is a Dell; and, Dell cuts the quality on parts. It wears out too quickly. Usually the power supply starts burning out parts on the motherboard, then itself. My family has had several Dells in the past, and they've all died the same death of cheap, power supplies. Plus Dell is proprietary on it's parts.

I'd rather, (if I had the money), get this:

HP Desktop, i3, Win 7 Pro

However; I don't have the money for that. Plus; as others have stated here, it is possible to get Win 7 Pro OEM for $80, that would reduce my expenditure to $130 from $200.

If you still think that $130 isn't worth it; like I said, I still have XP Pro X64 at my fingertips, waiting for a computer to run it on. If I inherit this HP system from my friend, I will install that on it.

That still leaves the question of:

Is the extra slot a PCI-e slot? If so, I can install the ATI Radeon card that I mentioned a few posts back.

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There is a Optiplex 760 at Newegg with Win 7 Pro x64 for $175. For that kind of money I may need to grab a few of those after my tax refund comes in.

That looks like a Small Form Factor case. Be careful of the limited cooling, if you want to run distributed computing on it.

Side panel off, 20 bucks for a fan and you're left with 5 bucks for a coffee :)

...and, YES, I plan to use the machine for daily use and some gaming of the original StarCraft and BroodWar. As stated, I have an OEM copy of XP Pro X64 that I can install with the existing 2GB RAM; however, with XP support ending now in 2015, I thought it would be worth it to have Win 7 Pro on the machine, and both Vista and Win 7 run better with 4 GB RAM than 2 GB RAM, so I'd be willing to spend the $200 to make this a Win 7 Pro machine.

Others have already said that but I'll join the club. Putting $200 on that machine is waste of money. It's old and it's slow. I know, I have one.

For $200 you can get a refurbished/used Core 2 Duo / 4 GB / Win7 machine. For daily use that's going to be heck of a lot faster. See e.g. Best Buy, Newegg, eBay.

There is a Optiplex 760 at Newegg with Win 7 Pro x64 for $175. For that kind of money I may need to grab a few of those after my tax refund comes in.

That looks like a Small Form Factor case. Be careful of the limited cooling, if you want to run distributed computing on it.

Well, that case is indeed not so good (I know those), I'm not sure right now, but I think you can only use low profile cards in it and maybe just 2 or 3, so not much processing power for crunching. I'm also not sure, if Dell is using standard components inside, the rear of those computers looks not so standard (PSU is for sure not a standard ATX PSU), so it might be not so easy to move those to another case.

Anyway, I'd sell the Athlon on eBay and use the money for Intel based machine (not necessarily this Optiplex) and maybe an additional GPU.

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Is the extra slot a PCI-e slot? If so, I can install the ATI Radeon card that I mentioned a few posts back.

No idea what the slot is but

an ATI Radeon X1950 Pro with 512 MB RAM DDR3

no crunching as far as I know. For Ati you need Radeon HD card or better.

However; I don't have the money for that. Plus; as others have stated here, it is possible to get Win 7 Pro OEM for $80, that would reduce my expenditure to $130 from $200.

If you still think that $130 isn't worth it; like I said, I still have XP Pro X64 at my fingertips, waiting for a computer to run it on. If I inherit this HP system from my friend, I will install that on it.

$130 is still much for an 8 year old computer, but it's your decision. I'd start using it as it is and see first if it works at all stable at SETI-load and how it performs. Than you'll see, if you want to invest any money in it and also you'll see if maybe someting else needs to be replaced (failing or noisy fans for example or more powerful PSU for the new GPU)

Is the extra slot a PCI-e slot? If so, I can install the ATI Radeon card that I mentioned a few posts back.

You'll see that, when you get it, we can't guess it unless you tell us what motherboard it has. Some early Athlon 64 motherboards had still AGP ports IIRC. If it has PCI-E, you can of course install a new GPU in it, just check so the PSU has enough power for it.

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If it does, then it will truly be a 64 Bit machine. Just because it says AMD 64, I don't know if the entire hardware architecture from HP in 2005 was 64 bit. If anyone here knows better than I, please chime in. If it truly is a 64 bit machine, I would like to expand the RAM to 4 GB from 2, and put Win 7 Pro on it

I can tell you absolutely that the 64 in the name indeed means it is a 64bit machine. AMD has been making x86-64 CPUs since 2003. That being said, many motherboards that supported the original Athlon64/Sempron64 only had two RAM slots that could only hold 1GB RAM each (2GB total), so that may be your limiting factor in such a machine.

However; will an old AMD 64 from 2005 crunch SETI on BOINC 7.2.33 or higher???

Since BOINC is still released with a 32bit executable, regardless if it is a 64bit or 32bit machine it will run BOINC v7.2.33 and yes, SETI will run on it. However, the ATi Radeon X1950 card does not support GPU crunching if you intended or hoped that it would increase the throughput of your crunching while you weren't using it.

There is a Optiplex 760 at Newegg with Win 7 Pro x64 for $175. For that kind of money I may need to grab a few of those after my tax refund comes in.

While the price is low, it is a Dell; and, Dell cuts the quality on parts. It wears out too quickly. Usually the power supply starts burning out parts on the motherboard, then itself. My family has had several Dells in the past, and they've all died the same death of cheap, power supplies. Plus Dell is proprietary on it's parts.

I'd rather, (if I had the money), get this:

HP Desktop, i3, Win 7 Pro

However; I don't have the money for that. Plus; as others have stated here, it is possible to get Win 7 Pro OEM for $80, that would reduce my expenditure to $130 from $200.

If you still think that $130 isn't worth it; like I said, I still have XP Pro X64 at my fingertips, waiting for a computer to run it on. If I inherit this HP system from my friend, I will install that on it.

That still leaves the question of:

Is the extra slot a PCI-e slot? If so, I can install the ATI Radeon card that I mentioned a few posts back.

At work I normally have the fan die first in the Dell systems. As it relies on the feedback to allow it to be powered on. So you have to shell out $40 for the fan from Dell to get the system to boot again. Such a pain...

Not spending money & working with that you already have is always a good option too.

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an ATI Radeon X1950 Pro with 512 MB RAM DDR3

no crunching as far as I know. For Ati you need Radeon HD card or better.

For SETI make that OpenCL capable Radeon HD, with just CAL it does not really make sense in combination with an Athlon CPU, which sucks on AP (Hybrid App). Than better run SETI CPU-only and another project on the GPU.

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That's my fear, that the extra non-PCI slot is AGP NOT PCI-e. Also, moot now since a couple of you have stated that my PCI-e card is NOT going to crunch.

Can regular PCI cards crunch? (ie: The new NVIDIA card with 512 MB RAM on it already installed on the machine.) Or, just new PCI-e cards???

If I can't get a graphics card to crunch, I'm left with just the CPU; which, I already knew, (and others have stated here), that it will be slow... However; it will be faster than the current Athlon XP Linux box I'm currently crunching on...

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RAM is a NON-issue. The PC has 4 DDR slots; two are being used, now.

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