It's how the SNP have been applying their campaign here by appealing to
peoples emotions to win them the day. Whilst along the way fudging over
common sense arguments against independence.

Sure. But my point is that if they are applying emotional arguments in favor of Scotlands independence, why hasn't the UK been applying emotional arguments against it? Because lets be clear here, there is now a real chance that the Scottish people will vote in favor of independence while a year ago the idea alone would have been ridiculed. So clearly, the common sense arguments are losing from the emotional ones.

Besides, as far as rational arguments go, the economy is a really weak argument in favor of staying in the Union. Okay, so a few big companies leave, big deal. They pay little to no taxes, they employ a fraction of the workforce, and the majority of the gains they make are gains the majority of the Scots won't benefit from in any meaningful way. On their own, they might have a few years of economic stagnation, before their own, independent policies move them ahead. And with all the energy reserves they got, well that might well give them the boost they need to kickstart their own economy.

Er excuse me Jim lad, you're not in a holyrood version of "Treasure Island", so be careful laddie...

Fish-head No 1 says it will be a "day of celebration not reckoning"

You wanna nationalise BP? In case you forgot Salmon(d), the b stands for British not Scottish!

"He added: "This referendum is about power, and when we get a 'Yes' majority we will use that power for a day of reckoning with BP and the banks.""

So fish-head, you'll be looking for the EU to bail you out when you lose all the businesses up there.

Do your remember BP chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg's from Sweden unfortunate choice of words about the small people about the big accident in the Mexican Gulf

Er excuse me Jim lad, you're not in a holyrood version of "Treasure Island", so be careful laddie...

Fish-head No 1 says it will be a "day of celebration not reckoning"

You wanna nationalise BP? In case you forgot Salmon(d), the b stands for British not Scottish!

"He added: "This referendum is about power, and when we get a 'Yes' majority we will use that power for a day of reckoning with BP and the banks.""

So fish-head, you'll be looking for the EU to bail you out when you lose all the businesses up there.

Do your remember BP chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg's from Sweden unfortunate choice of words about the small people about the big accident in the Mexican Gulf

When undecided voters are factored out, 54% plan to vote No while 46% intend to say Yes, according to a Survation poll commissioned by Better Together today.

Only a few Days to go:)

Some more "silly" gaffes that cost a lot more than what those companies were selling...

"Famous" gaffes

"Gerald Ratner wiped £500 million from the value of Ratners jewellers with one speech in 1991."

Aye Jim lad, you ought be careful with your "treasures" or you'll soon be known as Fish-head No 3.

Some more "silly" gaffes that cost a lot more than what those companies were selling...

"Famous" gaffes

"Gerald Ratner wiped £500 million from the value of Ratners jewellers with one speech in 1991."

Aye Jim lad, you ought be careful with your "treasures" or you'll soon be known as Fish-head No 3.

Gerald Ratner must be a very happy man when he's going to the bank.
Keep up the good work
Are Gerald Scotttish or English?

Our country have a Super election this year. Almost like Super Bowl:)
One for EU and one parlamentic election.

Late news from Sweden!
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Id say it all up to the voters. Crying on this thread wont add up to a hill of beans.
What does matter that finally after who knows how many years they get a say in it, And not at the end of sword.
Is it right or wrong? Only they can decide that. And history.

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Old James

And second, in a fundamentally emotional discussion, the first and pretty much only argument the English against Scottish independence is that its going to cost everyone a lot of money. Basically you are saying you are putting money above everything and that if the economy wouldnt take a hit, you wouldnt give a damn if the Scottish people seceded from the Union. Thats the message you are sending the people in Scotland. Is that a smart message to send when they are threatening to give you the finger and begin their own country? Not really.

Purely your thoughts here regarding the English.

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According to my two Scottish work colleagues, who both regularly travel
back home to Scotland, one states that if he could have voted then he would
vote "Yes" only because he feels Scotland would be able to support itself
financially. The second work colleague said he will vote "No" for he can
vote because he retains a property in Scotland so has residency status.
This second colleague also states that, "A wise and canny Scotsman is a
Scotsman who both lives and works down south" He further states that if
Scotland votes yes to independence then he will sell that property in
Scotland and invest the proceeds in another property down south. So, in
his mind then Independence is all about money. So you can see that for
both work colleagues then finance with respect to independence is the
big deciding factor here. So as you can see, it's the Scots who have
placed finance at the top of the Independence agenda, the English are
just debating this issue...it would be rather ill considerate of us
English then not to argue on it.

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

And second, in a fundamentally emotional discussion, the first and pretty much only argument the English against Scottish independence is that its going to cost everyone a lot of money. Basically you are saying you are putting money above everything and that if the economy wouldnt take a hit, you wouldnt give a damn if the Scottish people seceded from the Union. Thats the message you are sending the people in Scotland. Is that a smart message to send when they are threatening to give you the finger and begin their own country? Not really.

Purely your thoughts here regarding the English.

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According to my two Scottish work colleagues, who both regularly travel
back home to Scotland, one states that if he could have voted then he would
vote "Yes" only because he feels Scotland would be able to support itself
financially. The second work colleague said he will vote "No" for he can
vote because he retains a property in Scotland so has residency status.
This second colleague also states that, "A wise and canny Scotsman is a
Scotsman who both lives and works down south" He further states that if
Scotland votes yes to independence then he will sell that property in
Scotland and invest the proceeds in another property down south. So, in
his mind then Independence is all about money. So you can see that for
both work colleagues then finance with respect to independence is the
big deciding factor here. So as you can see, it's the Scots who have
placed finance at the top of the Independence agenda, the English are
just debating this issue...it would be rather ill considerate of us
English then not to argue on it.

In Sweden we call it voting according to your wallet:)
Election day today!
Now where is my ballot?

Purely your thoughts here regarding the English.

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According to my two Scottish work colleagues, who both regularly travel
back home to Scotland, one states that if he could have voted then he would
vote "Yes" only because he feels Scotland would be able to support itself
financially. The second work colleague said he will vote "No" for he can
vote because he retains a property in Scotland so has residency status.
This second colleague also states that, "A wise and canny Scotsman is a
Scotsman who both lives and works down south" He further states that if
Scotland votes yes to independence then he will sell that property in
Scotland and invest the proceeds in another property down south. So, in
his mind then Independence is all about money. So you can see that for
both work colleagues then finance with respect to independence is the
big deciding factor here. So as you can see, it's the Scots who have
placed finance at the top of the Independence agenda, the English are
just debating this issue...it would be rather ill considerate of us
English then not to argue on it.

Again, I'm not saying you shouldn't debate this issue, I'm saying this shouldn't be the main gist of your argument. As you said so for yourself, this argument only works for roughly half of the Scottish people. Thats pretty risky in a decision that only requires a simple majority. And secondly, if we look at the movement here, we see that your economic common sense argument has been losing ground, not gaining ground. The NO camp had a major advantage a few months ago, the YES camp was almost non existent a few years ago, but now they are suddenly evenly matched.

For one, it is completely irrelevant how it works in the US, this is about Scotland. Other side of the Ocean.

Questioning whether a Super Majority should be necessary, is not, of course, irrelevant.

The thing is, 'should' is purely hypothetical. Should they use a super majority? I would tend to agree. But the referendum is the way it is, and the Scottish people have decided that a simple majority works well enough.

if they get independence I hope they don't put up a tartan curtain like the berlin U.S.S.R iron curtain as I like to go fishing in Scotland

For one, it is completely irrelevant how it works in the US, this is about Scotland. Other side of the Ocean.

Questioning whether a Super Majority should be necessary, is not, of course, irrelevant.

The thing is, 'should' is purely hypothetical. Should they use a super majority? I would tend to agree. But the referendum is the way it is, and the Scottish people have decided that a simple majority works well enough.

A Survation poll commissioned by Better Together found that 54% plan to vote No while 46% intend to say Yes, factoring out undecided voters.
If they would have Super majority in this referendum then there is no Winner!

Faslane Bay. Five nuclear submarines is one of the yes side strongest negotiating cards for the referendum. For over 30 years, peace activists held a camp at the British submarine base.
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/varlden/aktivister-rostar-ja-for-att-bli-av-med-karnvapnen/

if they get independence I hope they don't put up a tartan curtain like the berlin U.S.S.R iron curtain as I like to go fishing in Scotland

They already have a berlin wall, the Hadrian Wall:)

that's in England to keep the Scots out of England because the Roman needed protection from the Scots

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Texas-nationalists-see-hope-in-possible-Scottish-5751738.php

<Grin>

Secessionists in Texas have seized on Scotland's possible independence: in a post about the vote, the Texas Nationalist Movement wrote on their website, "Scotland's internal and external opponents of independence sound like the typical battered wife syndrome."

"Centralists in America fear that, if Scotland votes yes, it may set a chain of events in motion that could affect many more western regions," the movement organizers wrote. "Suddenly, the impossible seems possible."

With some new attention on Texas nationalism comes repeated arguments for independence: Yahoo columnist Rick Newman notes that — with its GDP of $1.6 trillion and population of 27 million — Texas would be the 13th largest country in the world if it obtained independence from the United States. He also wrote Texas could lure companies away from the United States and survive on the strength of its economy.

Texas is not the only US State with a secessionist movement.
Vermont, for one.

And lets not forget Quebec up in Canada.

Could this, perhaps, be the beginning of the end for the large nation-state?

<Grin>
Texas is not the only US State with a secessionist movement.
Vermont, for one.

And lets not forget Quebec up in Canada.

Could this, perhaps, be the beginning of the end for the large nation-state?

:)

Inexperienced Löfven focus in British election reporting from Sweden.
And the Conservatives The Times calls Sweden for "Nappy State" :)

Are they crossword clues?

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Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge.

Are they crossword clues?

They didnt say:)
Howerever today the Times wrote this.
In the UK, the Times notes that the end of the Swedish election will be a serious blow for Prime Minister David Cameron. When Fredrik Reinfeldt resigns as Prime Minister Cameron loses one of its closest allies in Europe, the newspaper said, and he needs support to push back the influence of the EU.