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Bill Walker Send message Joined: 4 Sep 99 Posts: 3868 Credit: 2,697,267 RAC: 0 |
Or maybe people will finally admit that climate change is real, and does have an effect on us. No god needed for all this, just stupid people. |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65781 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Or maybe people will finally admit that climate change is real, and does have an effect on us. No god needed for all this, just stupid people. Yeah, agreed, We have our share here. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34945 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
We are very use to bushfires over here and a lot of our fauna will not reproduce unless fire is involved. Two things with these recent bushfires is that, 1/ Because of the "Greenies" there is now so much red tape to go through before winter fire hazard reduction burn can be done (basically they just don't want these done so fuel on the ground builds up) so these burns have been reduced down to around 10% of what use to be norm. 2/ These communities are built is some of the most rugged and wooded country available here, either on ridgelines or down in gullies. When these houses were built they had to have clear areas around them but over the years the people owning these homes have let the bush grow back around their homes, and a lot actually helped speed up this progress, which is just plain stupid and asking for trouble (as we have seen yet again). A lot of these places also only have 1 route in and out of their area making them even more dangerous. As a volunteer fire fighter of over 15yrs I certainly wouldn't want to live in these areas to start with and the people living in these areas really need to wake up to themselves and think about their safety instead of wanting to make their areas more green and leafy, but it's the "Greenies" that really need a wake up call as their red tape will eventually kill many more people if the winter fire hazard reduction burnings don't get back to levels of the 70's-90's. Climate change can't be blamed here, but a lot of stupid people can. Cheers. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30697 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
We are very use to bushfires over here and a lot of our fauna will not reproduce unless fire is involved. As I well know from the chaparral here in Southern California. Seeds will not germinate unless they have "smelled" smoke. Fire is a requirement of their life cycle. Fire suppression over the decades has 1000X the effect of climate change on the intensity of wildfire. |
James Sotherden Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 |
We are very use to bushfires over here and a lot of our fauna will not reproduce unless fire is involved. I totaly agree Gary. The smokey the bear campaign that we grew up with did more harm then good. All it did was make more fuel to burn when it did ignite. Fire in the forests is normal and as you stated is needed. And How many years has it been since you have seen old smokey saying, Only you can prevent forest fires. I think the policy is let it burn but contain and get rid of the fuel. Unless it gets near a population center. And I believe some states out west do have the clear lanes around houses also. But as I live in NY state I dont know for sure. [/quote] Old James |
Ianab Send message Joined: 11 Jun 08 Posts: 732 Credit: 20,635,586 RAC: 5 |
The Australian ecosystem is mostly a "fire based" one as well. They can track it through fossil records when the Eucalyptus trees became dominant as they are very fire prone. Most of them survive a normal "burn" that removes competing species. The problem starts when people build in the forest areas, without a "defence zone" that's pretty much vegetation free. Then the "once in 50 year" weather even leads to these uncontrolled fires. Not saying climate chance isn't a factor, but the fires are the "worst in ~40 years". Suggesting that 40 years ago they had similar fire. But populations have grown, and spread into the forest areas, so more houses are in danger. Makes me glad I live in a "rain forest" climate. Its hard to even light a camp fire here.... Ian |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34945 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
Well Al Gore really put his foot in his mouth this time by blaming "Global Warming" on our fires here. The 3 largest fires in 3 states here were started because the Army here were firing live ordinance on their firing ranges at the time, now how stupid is our Army? (I hope that heads will roll there) Other than a couple of small fires started by lightening strikes the rest were found to be deliberately lit. Cheers. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30697 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
IIRC something like 95% of the wildfires are caused by man. Sparking power lines, vehicle fires, sparks from landscape equipment ... and of course arson. |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65781 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
The Australian ecosystem is mostly a "fire based" one as well. They can track it through fossil records when the Eucalyptus trees became dominant as they are very fire prone. Most of them survive a normal "burn" that removes competing species. And on the top of a mostly submerged continent too... The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
Monday Send message Joined: 24 Sep 05 Posts: 9676 Credit: 20,067,888 RAC: 12 |
Lightning strikes start a lot of bush fires in Oz as well. |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65781 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
And on the top of a mostly submerged continent too... Notice the light blue area pointing towards Australia and pointing away in the opposite direction? That's a largely submerged continent, as the light blue areas are continental crust that are one time were above sea level(shaped short of like the UK, only bigger), it's theorized that a hotspot got rid of a decent amount of Zealandia's lower basement, so most of the continent sank after detaching from Australia. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
Uli Send message Joined: 6 Feb 00 Posts: 10923 Credit: 5,996,015 RAC: 1 |
Vic, what the heck does that have to do with the fires. Pluto will always be a planet to me. Seti Ambassador Not to late to order an Anni Shirt |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65781 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Vic, what the heck does that have to do with the fires. IANAB said He lived in a rain forest in New Zealand and I said on a mostly submerged continent, then someone asked what that was, now do you understand Uli? The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
Uli Send message Joined: 6 Feb 00 Posts: 10923 Credit: 5,996,015 RAC: 1 |
Vic, the fires are in Australia, not New Zealand. Totally different Countries. Pluto will always be a planet to me. Seti Ambassador Not to late to order an Anni Shirt |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65781 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Vic, the fires are in Australia, not New Zealand. Totally different Countries. I know that, I know where most countries in the world are, plus yeah Australia is from what I've seen has more than its share of fires. IANAB mentioned New Zealand, sheesh... The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
Uli Send message Joined: 6 Feb 00 Posts: 10923 Credit: 5,996,015 RAC: 1 |
All I am saying Vic, you are off topic, since it has nothing to do with the fires in Australia. Sheesh back at ya. Pluto will always be a planet to me. Seti Ambassador Not to late to order an Anni Shirt |
Carlos Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 29888 Credit: 57,275,487 RAC: 157 |
All I am saying Vic, you are off topic, since it has nothing to do with the fires in Australia. Looks like the tread started talking about disasters in general. The Aussie fire was just one example. Plus the start included disasters in the US Japan and elsewhere. Sorry Uli Vic is not that far off. Besides I had a bad day too. and I was no where near the Aussie fires. |
Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 34945 Credit: 261,360,520 RAC: 489 |
By rights bushfires happened here nearly every year up until the last century where we started fighting those that encroached on us. We just need to go back to just doing hazard reduction burning during winter to stop these mostly preventable fires. As 1 bushfire captain said, "send those greenies up here and we'll put them on the end of a hose." This continent has evolved under these fires conditions for over 60,000yrs now according to scientists (yes much more likely than before the 1st aborigines even set foot here, that was about 40/45,000yrs ago). Cheers. |
Terror Australis Send message Joined: 14 Feb 04 Posts: 1817 Credit: 262,693,308 RAC: 44 |
There is a picture on the NSW Rural Fire Service Facebook page that shows that exactly 12 months ago, the areas of the Upper Blue Mountains that were being burnt out last week were under six inches of snow. T.A. |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
In the Tarvisio forest in North East Italy, due to an old Austrian law, citizen have the right to a sizable amount of wood every year to keep warm, so it is the best watched forest in the world and very few fires happen. Today of course people sell their wood and buy methane gas. Tullio |
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