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Message 1426017 - Posted: 9 Oct 2013, 5:46:51 UTC

For a decade or so there are have periodic reports of melting glaciers uncovering homes, barns and other structures. Recently there was one saying it was difficult to survey them all before they were lost due to exposure.

Now of course these glaciers are not melting because of global warming because they show the world was warmer a thousand years ago.

It is only all the glaciers which are not uncovering 1000 year old structures which are melting because of global warming.

The test of whether or not the cause is global warming is simple. If it shows the world was warmer it is not due to global warming. Even a child can make the distinction.
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Message 1426087 - Posted: 9 Oct 2013, 12:12:25 UTC

Why am I not surprised you would jump on this looney-tune band wagon?

Sources, references please. I have a hard time seeing how any building that spent even a few decades under a glacier would be recognizable as a building after the glacier melted.
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Message 1426135 - Posted: 9 Oct 2013, 15:43:10 UTC

Matt. You Da Man.

I don't need 'Links' 'References' 'Sources' 'Proof'. Dats fO Brainiacs.

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Message 1426140 - Posted: 9 Oct 2013, 16:04:49 UTC

As any child knows, the sun rises and sets. The heavens revolve around the Earth,
As any child knows, when a bigger/heavier bowling ball dropped from the same height as a lighter one, the heavier ball will hit the ground first.
As any child knows, if you have 24 ounces of sippy juice in a container that is 4 inches tall, when you try to pour that 24 ounces into a container is 3 inches tall, some of it will just magically disappear, because the 3 inch tall container cannot possibly hold as much as a 4 inch tall container.
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Message 1426141 - Posted: 9 Oct 2013, 16:06:58 UTC

The heavens revolve around the Earth,


Errr doesn't the Earth revolve around itself within/underneath the heavens?

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Message 1426153 - Posted: 9 Oct 2013, 16:20:30 UTC - in response to Message 1426141.

The heavens revolve around the Earth,


Errr doesn't the Earth revolve around itself within/underneath the heavens


Of course not. Just use your sight and other senses.
No need for brainacky 'Links' 'References' 'Sources' 'Proof'.
(Of course, we have all sorts of people, so it is nice for our favorite meta-critic to deem all are brainiacs.)

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Message 1426341 - Posted: 9 Oct 2013, 21:07:30 UTC - in response to Message 1426087.
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Why am I not surprised you would jump on this looney-tune band wagon?

Sources, references please. I have a hard time seeing how any building that spent even a few decades under a glacier would be recognizable as a building after the glacier melted.


Decades? I would not either. A thousand years and more? Why don't you?

archaeology glaciers melting on google gives many hits. Typical is

"The remains of an iron age horse has been found in a glacier two thousand metres up in the mountains of Norway, one of the first times such an animal has been found at such altitude."

As I was referring to popular news articles

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/16/climate-change-melting-gl_n_717860.html

Climate Change: Melting Glaciers Expose Ancient Artifacts In Nothern Europe Faster Than Archaeologists Can Collect Them (VIDEO)
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Message 1426348 - Posted: 9 Oct 2013, 21:23:22 UTC - in response to Message 1426087.

Why am I not surprised you would jump on this looney-tune band wagon?

Sources, references please. I have a hard time seeing how any building that spent even a few decades under a glacier would be recognizable as a building after the glacier melted.


If it isn't controversial what is it doing in politics? There is another section of non-SETI science.

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Message 1426355 - Posted: 9 Oct 2013, 21:42:32 UTC

I remember from one of my past lives about a 1000 summers ago in northern Europe,
not sure where, we'd build our house near a glacier so we could keep our meat frozen.
One good hunt would last us for 5 or 3 moons.
Every couple winters we'd take the house down and rebuild further from the glacier. Those glaciers could move many many many many steps in a winter.
Every 5 or 3 moves we'd just leave the house and build a new one. Those be the ones you finding Mac.
Just think Mac how many igloos you'll find when the glaciers way up north start to melt. Those guys always built new.

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Message 1426360 - Posted: 9 Oct 2013, 21:54:29 UTC

I built a glacier once.
One big fridge. Yee haw!
Then, I created the innerwebs and made sure everything on it were true. Mo true, in fact.
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Message 1426395 - Posted: 9 Oct 2013, 23:34:00 UTC

For a decade or so there are have periodic reports of melting glaciers uncovering homes, barns and other structures.


Remains of a horse is not quite a barn, as per your original post.

Things fall into glaciers all the time (having been ON TOP of the glacier), get moved and ground up. They eventually show up at the face of the glacier. Humans have been observing this as long as we have had written records about glaciers. The glacier doesn't have to melt for this to happen. It happens with or without global warming. But, global warming is moving the location of the glacier face. Glaciers are getting smaller. Well known fact. Try googling "are glaciers getting smaller". This will get you 12,600,000+ hits that seem to say "yes they are". The one sort-of dissenting link I found (only scanned the first few hundred) says some are and some aren't. Global warming is actually a part of global climate change. You should google that as well.

The reports I find are of artifacts coming out at the face of the glacier. Remains of something wooden worked by humans(or remains of a horse) are not buildings and barns being uncovered. This used to happen at the location where the face was for thousands of years, and today still happens at the current location of the face, which is moving in some cases at 600 feet per year. (The link is to that well known crypto-communist brainiac elitist secret society, National Geographic. I found similar results over at that European cesspool of socialism and general decadence, The Royal Geographical Society.)

Just for fun I googled the exact phrase "melting glacier uncovers barn". No results found. 2,000,000 hits containing those words, but never in that order or even close together. You really have to read some of the links before you go claiming them as sources.

Sources, references please.
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Message 1426482 - Posted: 10 Oct 2013, 3:55:11 UTC - in response to Message 1426355.

I remember from one of my past lives about a 1000 summers ago in northern Europe,
not sure where, we'd build our house near a glacier so we could keep our meat frozen.
One good hunt would last us for 5 or 3 moons.
Every couple winters we'd take the house down and rebuild further from the glacier. Those glaciers could move many many many many steps in a winter.
Every 5 or 3 moves we'd just leave the house and build a new one. Those be the ones you finding Mac.
Just think Mac how many igloos you'll find when the glaciers way up north start to melt. Those guys always built new.


If you had had really smart ancestors they would have invented the mobile home and maybe country music to go with it.

Of course one should assume in the preindustrial best of all possible climates in 1850 the world had the best of all possible glacier sizes. As there were the remains of your past life structures there the glaciers were less than in 1850 and thus less than the perfect amount of glacier. Therefore we must assume the world was not ideally cold during your passed lives.

Clearly you must see the reason the world has such an inhospitable climate today is because it is not as cold as it was in 1850. That explains all the disastrous climate events we have experienced since 1850.

Rome might have been spared ten years of conflict if Hannibal had needed snowshoes for his elephants.
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Message 1426499 - Posted: 10 Oct 2013, 4:49:12 UTC - in response to Message 1426395.

For a decade or so there are have periodic reports of melting glaciers uncovering homes, barns and other structures.


Remains of a horse is not quite a barn, as per your original post.


I thought to post about the archaeology. I gave some search terms which work. If you did not find links to articles mentioning structures read more. Even if what you did find it is difficult to image many artifacts in the same place are the result of other than habitation unless one assumes there is a uniform distribution of artifacts all over glaciers.

Things fall into glaciers all the time (having been ON TOP of the glacier), get moved and ground up. They eventually show up at the face of the glacier. Humans have been observing this as long as we have had written records about glaciers. The glacier doesn't have to melt for this to happen. It happens with or without global warming. But, global warming is moving the location of the glacier face. Glaciers are getting smaller. Well known fact. Try googling "are glaciers getting smaller". This will get you 12,600,000+ hits that seem to say "yes they are". The one sort-of dissenting link I found (only scanned the first few hundred) says some are and some aren't. Global warming is actually a part of global climate change. You should google that as well.


Perhaps if you were to leave an entire campsite behind centuries later it might appear as the glacier retreats. Given the terms I suggested the first hit is of a horse from the Iron Age found 10,000 ft, 3000 meters higher.

However I did not question they are getting smaller. I simply pointed out how to tell those which are melting from global warming as opposed to the rest. Those which show the world was warmer prior to the perfect climate of 1850 are not melting because of global warming.

The reports I find are of artifacts coming out at the face of the glacier. Remains of something wooden worked by humans(or remains of a horse) are not buildings and barns being uncovered. This used to happen at the location where the face was for thousands of years, and today still happens at the current location of the face, which is moving in some cases at 600 feet per year. (The link is to that well known crypto-communist brainiac elitist secret society, National Geographic. I found similar results over at that European cesspool of socialism and general decadence, The Royal Geographical Society.)

Just for fun I googled the exact phrase "melting glacier uncovers barn". No results found. 2,000,000 hits containing those words, but never in that order or even close together. You really have to read some of the links before you go claiming them as sources.

Sources, references please.


Next time I come across something I will post it. Did you try changing the order? Did you try house for barn? of foundation? or fence? Leave out uncover and try again. Anything to big or which no one would have carried on to a glacier will do. I presumed people would understand I was not talking about pristine complete structures.

There are a lot of things I remember which I cannot document. I did at one time have the "ten years or it is too late" predictions from the late 1980s. They still be in some moving box around here somewhere. Nor was it possible to document what was never said until warming stopped and "we always said variations" was invented. Or course I would love to see a pre-2000 prediction of variation instead of just melting.

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