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Message 1420713 - Posted: 26 Sep 2013, 21:50:18 UTC
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In response to Bob DeWoody's question on new topics, here's one for you.

Is the present trend for governments to think all adults should be in the work place.

Are women forcing men out of work?

Edit] I think the true answer is a lot more difficult.

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Message 1420720 - Posted: 26 Sep 2013, 21:55:36 UTC

Oh c'mon WK, that was from the Grauniad, you don't take anything they say seriously do you? God, we'd have half the country's open toed sandal brigade choking on their Mueseli and frightening the Au pair!



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Message 1420730 - Posted: 26 Sep 2013, 22:07:13 UTC - in response to Message 1420720.

Oh c'mon WK, that was from the Grauniad, you don't take anything they say seriously do you? God, we'd have half the country's open toed sandal brigade choking on their Mueseli and frightening the Au pair!




I was just trying to find a subject for discussion, as it has gone all quite around here, when our hubristic friend is on holiday.

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Message 1420733 - Posted: 26 Sep 2013, 22:12:12 UTC

Is the present trend for governments to think all adults should be in the work place.

We are trying to change the attitude to one that it pays to be in work, rather than be lazy and exist on benefits.

when our hubristic friend is on holiday.

Trouble is, holidays come to an end .....

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Message 1420754 - Posted: 26 Sep 2013, 22:40:37 UTC - in response to Message 1420733.
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Is the present trend for governments to think all adults should be in the work place.

We are trying to change the attitude to one that it pays to be in work, rather than be lazy and exist on benefits.

From my limited observations.

When I was at school, most other kids thought it was strange that my mother was in full time work, if the other kids mothers worked it was a few days a week part time.

Then in the 70's it seemed to be most married women worked part time all week.

Then since the 90's more and more women are working full time all the time. And at the same time as manufacturing industries closed a lot of men were finding that the only work available was part time, unless they had a transferable skill.


when our hubristic friend is on holiday.

Trouble is, holidays come to an end .....

True.

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Message 1420841 - Posted: 27 Sep 2013, 5:13:05 UTC

Here in the states, Both have to work just to make ends meet. And then even that is a task.
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Message 1420881 - Posted: 27 Sep 2013, 7:48:57 UTC - in response to Message 1420841.

Here in the states, Both have to work just to make ends meet. And then even that is a task.

That's pretty much the situation here, as well.

But that wasn't the situation in the early 60's. In fact where we lived at that time which isn't too far from here, and I have a cousin who still lives in that area, so go there fairly often, I think the relative standard of living was at least as good as now.

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Message 1420891 - Posted: 27 Sep 2013, 8:23:15 UTC

When I think back to the 1950s-60s and I was living in a fairly nice house with three brothers I truly wonder how my Dad paid the bills on a Navy chief's pay. I know he drove a cab part time to bring in extra cash. We didn't eat out at all except on that rare vacation trip every few years. My Mom didn't start working (for pay) until I was in college. After my Dad retired from the Navy and started working for, what was then, Martin/Marietta things got better to the point that we even had a house with a swimming pool. A few years ago I was going through some old papers and saw a few of my Dad's Martin pay stubs. It amazed me that we lived as well as we did.

Now, after working for more than 45 years I have very little to show for it. A paltry sum of money in what is left of my 401K and my monthly social security check. Except for a brief experiment with marriage I have lived alone and fortunately don't have extravagant habits or tastes, so unless the government collapses I will make it to my end. But I sure wonder about most people.
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Message 1420910 - Posted: 27 Sep 2013, 10:01:58 UTC

Is the present trend for governments to think all adults should be in the work place.

We are trying to change the attitude to one that it pays to be in work, rather than be lazy and exist on benefits.

As I was saying ...

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Message 1420913 - Posted: 27 Sep 2013, 10:13:15 UTC - in response to Message 1420910.
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Is the present trend for governments to think all adults should be in the work place.

We are trying to change the attitude to one that it pays to be in work, rather than be lazy and exist on benefits.

As I was saying ...

Benefits


There is one thing I find odd about this type of government response to the jobless, and that is if the government or its agencies can find work for the jobless to do. Then why are these jobs not being created as paying jobs so that the jobless could apply for them and then be taken off the jobless register.

It looks like the government is saying we have these jobs that need to be done but are not prepared to pay the full rate, read minimum wage, for them.

edit] Once the jobless are out of work for some period, (3 months?) then they must apply for any jobs available and failure to do so can mean loss of benefits, already.

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Message 1420917 - Posted: 27 Sep 2013, 10:51:55 UTC

Then why are these jobs not being created as paying jobs so that the jobless could apply for them and then be taken off the jobless register.

Good question

It looks like the government is saying we have these jobs that need to be done but are not prepared to pay the full rate, read minimum wage, for them.

It is the companies that offer these jobs that pay the minimum wages, not the government.

There are people on benefits who genuinely cannot work through disability or injury. But there are far too many others who are just taking the system for a ride. It is the latter category that we need to try to root out. This initiative may work, it is worth trying, PROVIDED that genuine claimants are not lumped in with the rest.

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Message 1420918 - Posted: 27 Sep 2013, 10:53:05 UTC - in response to Message 1420910.
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Is the present trend for governments to think all adults should be in the work place.

We are trying to change the attitude to one that it pays to be in work, rather than be lazy and exist on benefits.

As I was saying ...

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Oh c'mon Chris, that was from the Daily Mail, you don't take anything they say seriously do you? God, we'd have half the country's closet racists choking on their Cornflakes and frightening the Labrador!

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Message 1420919 - Posted: 27 Sep 2013, 10:57:52 UTC

But only one in four – 25 per cent – thought those with mental health conditions who are capable of work should be excluded from workfare, and only one in five – 22 per cent – thought those with physical disabilities who are capable of working should be exempt.

Quite right, the mentally challenged are probably still capable of sweeping leaves or cleaning gutters. And the physically disabled can answer phones, or type. It's about finding something appropriate to what they can do.
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Message 1420920 - Posted: 27 Sep 2013, 10:59:20 UTC

Aha! So That's where I have been going wrong all these years. I have two cats, no au pair, no Labrador, and an unopened packet of Alpen dated 2007. My life is bereft ......

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Message 1422033 - Posted: 29 Sep 2013, 16:39:19 UTC

Like most things in real life I don't think there is single reason for an event, but many small event nudging things to a certain route. One factor maybe is that the younger generation want thing all done dusted rather to slowly build things up.

My parents bought a dilapidated house as their first home (c1957) and slowly did up themselves as and when they could afford it. It was furnished with furniture bought from second and stores or auction houses (I still have some this furniture !).

Nowadays couples will only consider a fully fitted house and all the furniture must be new. By and large this sort of investment will required more than one income, which generally means the women having to go to work.

Another factor is the decline of manufacturing sector meaning decline of jobs that men consider suitable are less. Jobs advertised in my local paper seem to be mainly for telesales and nursing care industries, which I must admit do not appeal to me.



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