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Message 1407008 - Posted: 23 Aug 2013, 18:07:20 UTC

reserved to the states or the people

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/23/authorities-in-las-vegas-arrest-2-in-sovereign-citizen-plot-to-kidnap-torture/
LAS VEGAS – A couple spent hundreds of hours over four months plotting to abduct, torture and kill Las Vegas police officers as a way to attract attention to their anti-authority "sovereign citizens" movement, police said.

David Allen Brutsche and Devon Campbell Newman attended training sessions about sovereign citizen philosophy, shopped for guns, found a vacant house and rigged it to bind captives to cross beams during interrogation, and recorded videos to explain their actions and why officers had to die.


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Message 1407013 - Posted: 23 Aug 2013, 18:16:28 UTC

U.S. Constitution protected Free Speech Is Lovely

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Message 1407014 - Posted: 23 Aug 2013, 18:21:54 UTC

Another US Constitution Protected Free Speech Web Site of DHS Manager

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Message 1407056 - Posted: 23 Aug 2013, 19:52:01 UTC - in response to Message 1407018.  

With the States being as dysfunctional if not more than the Federal government this is not going to happen in any near future. I do like some of his "liberty amendments" to the Constitution though.
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Message 1407880 - Posted: 26 Aug 2013, 10:47:53 UTC
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Rather than start a new thread, I thought I would bring this up here. If there are some that would rather it was elsewhere then just say, happy for it to be moved.

Article Two of the USA Constitution says that a President has to be a natural-born citizen of the United States, to be eligible for that office. When that article was made, the obvious intention was that a President should be a genuine real American and therefore born on the North American continent. However, later Hawaii became the 50th State in 1959, and Obama was supposedly born there in 1961. So far so good, within the spirit of the intention of it i.e. we don't want a Frenchie or a Brit as President.

Since then however there have been various conspiracy rumours that Obamas birth certificate is false and that he was born either in Kenya or elsewhere, therefore making him ineligible to be President of the USA. Polls have shown that 20% of American people genuinely doubt his place of birth. From across the pond it seems to me that Obama is not the most popular of Presidents because of his policies, certainly among the majority of posters on the Seti boards at any rate, and there are some that just don't want a black President anyway. So no surprise that many people want to believe anything that might unseat him.

But how likely is it that his backers would support their man all the way through the Primaries, and elections, to the White House, if there was the slightest chance that his background wasn't 100% squeaky clean. The USA President is probably one of the most powerful and famous people in the world, if he coughed in his back yard aged 6 it will likely be known or found out about.

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Message 1407943 - Posted: 26 Aug 2013, 13:58:53 UTC

Chris, you are being very logical. That has no place in modern politics.

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Message 1407952 - Posted: 26 Aug 2013, 15:04:56 UTC

There is ONLY one interpretation of our Constitution and that would be the Federalist Papers.
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Message 1407963 - Posted: 26 Aug 2013, 15:40:57 UTC - in response to Message 1407946.  

It's time to term limit ... SCOTUS!

I suspect this puts you at the other end of the spectrum than ID.

Before you can term limit them, you need to decide on the length of a term. Right now the length of the term is until death.

Are you sure you want to put SCOTUS into the political arena, making them run for office, subjecting them to the whipsaw pendulum that is politics? Just imagine a decade or so of the bad political party with super majority power and the decisions that SCOTUS would be politically forced into making. How long those decisions will shape the country through stare decisis? Even after the good party gains power, but not a super majority? Are you sure you want this?

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Message 1407967 - Posted: 26 Aug 2013, 15:50:53 UTC

It's not the "term limit" in that court that bothers me. And like so many problems we have it's the confirmation process. I have watch that process on C-Span a few times now and before C-Span on the news. NOT ONE, not ONE person during the confirmation process has EVER asked a question pertaining to the Federalist papers. It could be I missed it but I don't think so.
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Message 1408056 - Posted: 26 Aug 2013, 19:26:47 UTC - in response to Message 1407952.  

And that interpretation would be;

The intent of the Foundling Fathers,
The understanding of those who voted for it
Or the meaning an educated man would think appropriate.



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Message 1408100 - Posted: 26 Aug 2013, 21:17:38 UTC - in response to Message 1408056.  

And that interpretation would be;

The intent of the Foundling Fathers,
The understanding of those who voted for it
Or the meaning an educated man would think appropriate.

The intent the author of the amendment.
The understanding of the state legislatures.
The meaning an educated man would apply to the case at hand.

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Message 1408117 - Posted: 26 Aug 2013, 21:56:56 UTC - in response to Message 1408108.  

I thought words meant things. I guess I'm a snoot. I thought judges were supposed to be fair and impartial.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/books/2012/08/reading_law_antonin_scalia_and_bryan_garner_s_guide_to_textualism_reviewed_.single.html

For Scalia and Garner, textualism is the great judicial defense of America’s system of lawmaking and checks and balances. It goes like this: Elected by voters and working together as a body, our legislators bring together lots of individual intentions, which means that drafting laws requires compromise. It’s absurd, then, to think there might be a singular “legislative intent” behind any statute. The same goes for readings of the “spirit of the law” instead of its “letter” or a belief in the “Living Constitution.” Absurdities all. When judges do anything but fairly read texts they turn the whole Constitutional system on its head.

Interesting. Appears Scalia would never look at the Federalist.

Since Scalia wants to overturn Roe v. Wade, since when does a judge ever speculate on cases that might come before him?!!!, and he doesn't read the Federalist, that must mean that there is justification for Roe v. Wade in the Federalist. Must give some here apoplexy.


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Message 1408126 - Posted: 26 Aug 2013, 22:34:08 UTC - in response to Message 1408108.  

Maybe words do mean things, but do they mean the same now as when first written.
And might, they have had a third, or more meanings, between now and then.

Try these;
Abandon
Addict
Assassin
Awful
Bimbo
Bully
Cute
Decimate
Fantastic
Garble
Gay
Husband
Matrix
Nervous
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Message 1408169 - Posted: 27 Aug 2013, 1:01:22 UTC - in response to Message 1408159.  

If we can't understand each other speaking the same language then we're doomed for sure.

Our language evolves as we do. We can't attach the meaning of words today to old writing. Not only have the words changes meaning, perhaps to the point that subtle nuances are forever lost, but the situations those words were meant to describe are no longer applicable.

Highway men robbing conestoga wagons doesn't translate well to police searching cars at drunk driving dragnets, but those who claim immutability believe it does.

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Message 1408212 - Posted: 27 Aug 2013, 4:18:11 UTC

No founder would have thought the child within the mother was anything but living and worthy of natural rights.


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Message 1408324 - Posted: 27 Aug 2013, 11:37:49 UTC - in response to Message 1408212.  

No founder would have thought the child within the mother was anything but living and worthy of natural rights.


Evidence please. Here's a start.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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