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Message 1358948 - Posted: 20 Apr 2013, 11:34:08 UTC

RELIGION has killed more people than other men intended.

I remember saying exactly that here 5 years ago, when I got roundly castigated by everyone.

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Message 1359009 - Posted: 20 Apr 2013, 16:53:12 UTC - in response to Message 1358948.
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RELIGION has killed more people than other men intended.

I remember saying exactly that here 5 years ago, when I got roundly castigated by everyone.


And rightly so, trying to blame violence and death solely on religion, when we know the USSR had no religion. Such a statement seems to be about as silly as saying that atheism has killed millions in the 20th century. Both simplistic views.

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Message 1359087 - Posted: 20 Apr 2013, 20:47:31 UTC - in response to Message 1359009.

RELIGION has killed more people than other men intended.

I remember saying exactly that here 5 years ago, when I got roundly castigated by everyone.


And rightly so, trying to blame violence and death solely on religion, when we know the USSR had no religion. Such a statement seems to be about as silly as saying that atheism has killed millions in the 20th century. Both simplistic views.

Trying to forget all the massive killing done in the name of the lord huh?

1) The crusades.
2) The inquisition.
3) The killing of the Native Americans.
need I go on?

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Message 1359088 - Posted: 20 Apr 2013, 21:02:01 UTC - in response to Message 1359087.

RELIGION has killed more people than other men intended.

I remember saying exactly that here 5 years ago, when I got roundly castigated by everyone.


And rightly so, trying to blame violence and death solely on religion, when we know the USSR had no religion. Such a statement seems to be about as silly as saying that atheism has killed millions in the 20th century. Both simplistic views.

Trying to forget all the massive killing done in the name of the lord huh?

1) The crusades.
2) The inquisition.
3) The killing of the Native Americans.
need I go on?

Here is a link with some more information. There is a good post in this link that describes wars done for religion, and not for religion, but I wanted to include the whole link.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101216201242AABY4JB

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Message 1359090 - Posted: 20 Apr 2013, 21:08:42 UTC

Here is what Wikipedia says.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war

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Message 1359111 - Posted: 20 Apr 2013, 23:26:40 UTC - in response to Message 1359087.

RELIGION has killed more people than other men intended.

I remember saying exactly that here 5 years ago, when I got roundly castigated by everyone.


And rightly so, trying to blame violence and death solely on religion, when we know the USSR had no religion. Such a statement seems to be about as silly as saying that atheism has killed millions in the 20th century. Both simplistic views.

Trying to forget all the massive killing done in the name of the lord huh?

1) The crusades.
2) The inquisition.
3) The killing of the Native Americans.
need I go on?


I have not forgotten and have, I am sure, discussed those things here before. I would not accuse you of trying to forget all the killing via Stalin and his ilk during the atheist rule of the USSR. I would not expect you to go for a simplistic answer.

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Message 1359251 - Posted: 21 Apr 2013, 8:40:50 UTC

I just find it totally incongruous that you can insult a persons family, country, King Queen or President, yet you disagree with their chosen religion and they'll kill you. Why does religion breed so many fanatics? You would think that possibly political persuasions might do that, as in the American Civil War.

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Message 1359381 - Posted: 21 Apr 2013, 15:18:22 UTC - in response to Message 1359378.

Another interesting gun fact.
You can be jailed for wearing a t-shirt.

I love the NRA.


Talk about hypocrites! If you follow all the links on that article, you'll find one from 13 news which states that the school itself has a statue of a soldier carrying a gun & grenade.

If they win, then they should be forced to remove that statue!
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Message 1359386 - Posted: 21 Apr 2013, 15:24:44 UTC - in response to Message 1359383.

Well someone should tell them that they're there to teach, not make political statements. They want to do that, enter politics!
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Message 1359562 - Posted: 21 Apr 2013, 23:24:28 UTC - in response to Message 1359090.

Here is what Wikipedia says.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war

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I find the title of the "further reading" suggested interesting:
The Myth of Religious Violence: Secular Ideology and the Roots of Modern Conflict, W. Cavanaugh, Oxford University Press, 2009. ISBN 978-0-19-538504-5

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Message 1359570 - Posted: 21 Apr 2013, 23:49:27 UTC

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wedge poliltics is used to merrrrr the conversation

it's not guns but the health system it's not the health system it's unemployment it's not unemployment it's our right to own a gun no no it's just people are bad , yada yada yada and so the story continues
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Message 1359584 - Posted: 22 Apr 2013, 0:21:34 UTC

Blathering is not the same as difficulty expressing one's self.

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Message 1360049 - Posted: 22 Apr 2013, 22:43:10 UTC
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Message 1360891 - Posted: 25 Apr 2013, 3:55:50 UTC

apparently i would have been the only one in that room qualified

i know that there is no such thing as an unloaded gun.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/dea-agent-foot-shoot-suit

but as vash says peace and love.[/url]
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Message 1360927 - Posted: 25 Apr 2013, 5:39:43 UTC

Room? Qualified? Huh?!?
Is this somehow connected to the link?

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Message 1361018 - Posted: 25 Apr 2013, 11:48:52 UTC

The thing about glocks is they are like a revolver, There is no saftey. He must have carried another brand of pistol with a saftey and forgot the one he had didnt have one, Or he ignored the rule to keep your finger off the trigger unless you are ready to shoot.

Hes lucky he shot his foot, What if he had shot a kid? Better he be the butt of jokes than guilty of negligent homicide.
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Message 1361025 - Posted: 25 Apr 2013, 12:20:14 UTC
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What in gods name was that idiot thinking of taking a loaded gun into a classroom with schoolkids.

A couple of years ago at one of my Mens clubs we had an after dinner presentation by a couple of guys from a local gun club. They brought about a dozen various hand guns, rifles, and shotguns. Before they passed each one around for us to have a look at, the presenter opened the gun, examined it carefully, particularly down the barrel, and said "clear". His assistant did exactly the same thing. Only when both men had declared clear, would they pass the gun around. Obviously they had not brought any ammunition with them, but nevertheless it was standard safety procedure, which was strictly followed at all times when dealing with an item that was capable of firing bullets.

I know nothing about guns and I don't want to know anything either. They are specifically designed and made to kill people and animals. In the early 60's a couple of my schoolpals had Diana .177 air rifles with little metal slugs. They thought it was jolly good fun to try to shoot birds out of the trees. I refused to have anything to do with it and threatened to report them to the RSPCA. We weren't friends any more after that.

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