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Message 1353860 - Posted: 5 Apr 2013, 20:45:29 UTC - in response to Message 1353857.

Auditing the EU accounts....
Now there's a strange concept - do you expect them to be a solid, truthful financial statement, or something to the contrary. Actually probably those accounts should be filed in the "fiction" section of the library, not too far from the British Rail timetable. (or at least would be if they were ever to be published)


Wot...hic...at least one could rely on the timetables to a degree...hic....
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Message 1353869 - Posted: 5 Apr 2013, 21:15:14 UTC

Hic!! +1

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Message 1354713 - Posted: 8 Apr 2013, 16:27:26 UTC

Going out of his way to secure god knows what so he won't have to provide that referendum in 2017.....

UK Support of EU "wafer-thin" says Del-boy
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Message 1354752 - Posted: 8 Apr 2013, 18:25:38 UTC - in response to Message 1354713.

Going out of his way to secure god knows what so he won't have to provide that referendum in 2017.....

UK Support of EU "wafer-thin" says Del-boy

Going by other articles attached to your attachment Sirius, you almost get the
feeling that both Germany & France are resigned to the fact that the EU may
finally crumble leaving just the two of them united together....as it should have
always been from the off.


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Message 1354763 - Posted: 8 Apr 2013, 19:15:08 UTC

He believes the EU needs to change to allow Britain, or other member states, not to be bound by all its decisions. Ahead of the talks, he told European newspapers support for EU membership was now "wafer-thin" in the UK. Mr Cameron has argued a new settlement is needed before UK voters are asked if they want to end ties with Brussels.

It's not rocket science. Cameron wants us to stay in Europe, and he knows that a vote today would take us out. Therefore he is putting off the vote for as long as he can, trying to do a better deal that will make us vote to stay in. Give us a vote to revert to the original idea of an EEC, and he would get it a lot sooner.

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Message 1354769 - Posted: 8 Apr 2013, 19:34:45 UTC - in response to Message 1354763.

He believes the EU needs to change to allow Britain, or other member states, not to be bound by all its decisions. Ahead of the talks, he told European newspapers support for EU membership was now "wafer-thin" in the UK. Mr Cameron has argued a new settlement is needed before UK voters are asked if they want to end ties with Brussels.

It's not rocket science. Cameron wants us to stay in Europe, and he knows that a vote today would take us out. Therefore he is putting off the vote for as long as he can, trying to do a better deal that will make us vote to stay in. Give us a vote to revert to the original idea of an EEC, and he would get it a lot sooner.


Just a shame that he's not a Maggie Thatchers, she would have frit the life out
of them across the water and we would have had this all sorted by now.


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Message 1354962 - Posted: 9 Apr 2013, 10:20:23 UTC

Correct Nick, she was a notable Eurosceptic, but mainly towards the end of her administration. But her heyday was in the 1980's, 30 years on the world has changed. Her way of doing things might not work so well today.

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Message 1354975 - Posted: 9 Apr 2013, 10:57:29 UTC - in response to Message 1354962.
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Correct Nick, she was a notable Eurosceptic, but mainly towards the end of her administration. But her heyday was in the 1980's, 30 years on the world has changed. Her way of doing things might not work so well today.


At the moment no, her way of doing all things most probably would not.
She became more Euro-sceptic the more she witnessed Europe going down
the single state road. As she once stated, "Europe is history", she saw no future in this
single state ideology that Europe wonted to adopt. Looking like she could be right.
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Message 1354979 - Posted: 9 Apr 2013, 11:26:38 UTC

As she once stated, "Europe is history", she saw no future in this
single state ideology that Europe wonted to adopt. Looking like she could be right.

I think she was. We should have a simple vote
    1. Do you want to remain in the Political Union known as the EU ? 

    2. Do you want to be in a trading partnership as the EEC? 

Please tick the appropriate box.

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Message 1354980 - Posted: 9 Apr 2013, 11:33:19 UTC - in response to Message 1354979.

If it's that simple, then why has it failed to appear after so many promises in manifestos "Once we enter No 10, we will provide a referendum"?

You were asked previously if you believed that del-boy will give us one in 2015 - to which you replied Yes......

.....ooops, pushed back to 2017.....So I'll repeat the question....Do you think we will get one regardless of what year?

You're both wrong, If Maggie was in power today, Europe would be pissing themselves, especially if a meeting between the Mekon & Iron Lady took place......

...Mekon would be totally marginalised.......
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Message 1354988 - Posted: 9 Apr 2013, 12:05:23 UTC

.....ooops, pushed back to 2017.....So I'll repeat the question....Do you think we will get one regardless of what year?

Yes I do.

In his long-awaited speech, welcomed by many Conservative MPs, Mr Cameron pledged to hold a referendum during the early part of the next parliament by the end of 2017 at the latest - if the Conservatives win the next general election.

But he will hold it off as long as he can to try and ensure a yes vote.

especially if a meeting between the Mekon & Iron Lady took place.....Mekon would be totally marginalised...

It would be an interesting confrontation that is for sure.

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Message 1355060 - Posted: 9 Apr 2013, 15:55:52 UTC

Unless the negotiated terms are very favourable or a full return to the Common Market, with most of the useless Directives scrapped, I will vote to leave (no matter what) ...
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Message 1355111 - Posted: 9 Apr 2013, 23:00:14 UTC

For once, a redtop got it right.....

Unique PM of real courage

"As we cave in to Brussels and Strasbourg today, it’s hard to remember we once had a PM who struck fear into the European elite.

The end only came when Maggie was treacherously brought down by pro-EU fanatics on her own side.

But haven’t events proved her right, as the euro collapses and the EU implodes?"

As for those anarchists out partying......

"The global reaction to Maggie’s death shows what an impact she had. Even the Argentinians respectfully noted her passing."

...that's the difference between civilised people & yourselves....

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Message 1355270 - Posted: 10 Apr 2013, 10:58:28 UTC
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Oh my gosh, gulp, I have to agree with Sirius (again) I'll have to find those tablets the doc gave me :-) I was in my local newsagent this morning and every daily paper on the rack was saying more positive things about her than negative ones, and I think that also is the view of the majority of people. Some of us may have personal reasons for hating her, I don't know, but clearly they are in the minority. And lets remember, which some aren't, that she was the first ever British "WOMAN PRIME MINISTER". That alone is worth a statue. Wouldn't Emmeline Pankhurst have been proud!

Golly, we have me agreeing with Sirius, Hev and Sirius agreeing with each other, Me and Es on some agreement. Perhaps Thatcher left a bigger legacy than we thought ......

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Message 1355748 - Posted: 11 Apr 2013, 16:31:24 UTC - in response to Message 1355270.

Yes, shock horror! It's taken until now to recover....spent hours searching for me pills..... :)

They say its not over until the "Fat Lady Sings".......

Fat Lady singing loudly

...they must've got it wrong as its certainly not over yet.......
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Message 1356715 - Posted: 14 Apr 2013, 3:20:27 UTC - in response to Message 1354988.

.....ooops, pushed back to 2017.....So I'll repeat the question....Do you think we will get one regardless of what year?

Yes I do.

In his long-awaited speech, welcomed by many Conservative MPs, Mr Cameron pledged to hold a referendum during the early part of the next parliament by the end of 2017 at the latest - if the Conservatives win the next general election.

But he will hold it off as long as he can to try and ensure a yes vote.



Oh dear, its looking like we won't get that referendum in 2050 let alone 2017.......

Bye Bye Referendum
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Message 1356808 - Posted: 14 Apr 2013, 10:18:38 UTC

There are a number of points to consider here before we are tempted to jump to any hasty conclusions. Firstly we shouldn't read too much into the Camerons staying at the Mekons place, that is simply an International diplomatic courtesy, and if the situation was reversed, of course they would be staying at Chequers. Next, Cameron knows that if there was an EU vote today, the UK would vote to come out not because it was necessarily the right thing to do, but because anti EU public feeling has been whipped up by the media in general, and the press in particular. By putting it off as long as possible, he is getting the chance to re-negotiate our terms of membership, and hopefully get a better deal that is clearly worth us staying in.

It is good to see that Germany's view of us has softened significantly in recent times, and I think the Mekon has finally realised that the EU would be a poorer place without the UK in it, and it now remains to be seen just how far she is prepared to go to avoid that. The stage is set for Cameron to stand firm and strike some hard bargains, and I think he will do that. Particularly as France is not hovering around stirring up things as usual. Hollande Sauce (©Chris S) doesn't want us to get better terms in case we become more powerful than him. It's a shame he doesn't sort his own country out first before interfering in other peoples. Lets face it, France today is not exactly anything to write home about.

But we also need to remember that the Europe as we know it is a combination of two things, the original EEC which made sense, and the latter day EU of political union. If we leave the EU we also leave the EEC where 50% of our exports go, and which grew in January by 14 percent, while imports only grew by 8.1%. I always quote "You need to be in it to win it" and "You can't throw stones at houses you don't live in". In the EU as a full partner, we can negotiate issues, and we can also at any time exercise our veto. Outside of it we have no control at all on what goes on, and what might directly affect us to our disadvantage.

OK, last point. Cameron has publicly pledged to give the UK a referendum "by the end of 2017 at the latest - if the Conservatives win the next general election". Presumably in "Cameron speak" that means a majority Conservative government, and not a continuation of the existing Coalition. At the present moment there are only three likely outcomes in 2015

    A very slim majority Tory Government
    A continuation of the existing coalition
    A new Labour/Lib Dem coalition

So, has he offered anything he doesn't expect to have to live up to, or is he playing for very big stakes in the political poker game? Answers on a post card to 10 Downing Street, SW1A 2AA.

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Message 1356829 - Posted: 14 Apr 2013, 13:47:17 UTC - in response to Message 1356808.

You forgot several...

UKIP/Tory coalition
UKIP/Lib Dem coalition
UKIP/Labour coalition

& the best one on the board for a "pointless" answer is.....

UKIP majority.
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Message 1357120 - Posted: 15 Apr 2013, 8:19:17 UTC

Well, I did stick to the more realistic ones! Let's see what the Council elections bring next month before we make too much of UKIP. The party was simply used as a protest vote in Eastleigh, they know it of course, but not unnaturally they are milking it for all it's worth. What odds is your local bookies giving for 2015?

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Message 1357619 - Posted: 16 Apr 2013, 21:49:19 UTC
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Too little too late....

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