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Message 1343977 - Posted: 8 Mar 2013, 5:31:11 UTC

Lets hope it is sabre rattling. The latest from the BBC.

North Korea ends peace pacts with South

North Korea says it is scrapping all non-aggression pacts with South Korea, closing its hotline with Seoul and shutting their shared border point.

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Message 1344294 - Posted: 9 Mar 2013, 1:52:17 UTC

Brinkmanship, Bluster, Rhetoric, The one thing in commom is that eventually someone is going to call the bluff.

The one saying I remember from my school days is, Dont let your rowboat butt, out do your battle ship mouth.
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Message 1344813 - Posted: 10 Mar 2013, 3:05:10 UTC

Even given the circumstances of total control that the N. Korean government maintains over it's population I am amazed that this regime has lasted until now. Most all of the other "closed" societies have crumbled under the weight of the information age. I wonder if there are enough enlightened people in N. Korea that could take over and run the country if it's leaders were rooted out and eliminated. A very sad situation indeed.
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Message 1344825 - Posted: 10 Mar 2013, 4:42:47 UTC

probably not most that could have, have either died of starvation or have left the country.
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Message 1344940 - Posted: 10 Mar 2013, 12:59:04 UTC

North Korea has one of the worst internal food supply situations in the world. Sadly, as ever, with dictatorships it is the average Joe who suffers, be it at the hands of their own government due to starvation, imprisonment or other malpractice, or at the hands of the "outsider" who comes to "liberate" them - for the majority of the population its a loose/loose situation no matter what the rest of the World does/says.
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Message 1344953 - Posted: 10 Mar 2013, 15:13:19 UTC
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GENEVA — Already angry over tougher sanctions imposed last week to punish its nuclear tests, North Korea faces renewed pressure over its human rights record as the United Nations Human Right Council meets Monday to consider calls for an international inquiry into possible crimes against humanity.

The world is closing in upon them, and they are becoming increasingly isolated. What USA involved conflict will happen first Iran or N. Korea?

Either one is going to mean loss of life, as wars do.

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Message 1345015 - Posted: 10 Mar 2013, 17:31:07 UTC

I wonder what steps South Korea is taking. What ever happens i think it will start there.
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Message 1345087 - Posted: 10 Mar 2013, 21:22:04 UTC - in response to Message 1344953.
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Either way, it'll soon escalate into a conflict much larger which will affect everyone throughtout the world - Do we really want to see that happen?

That is the question that needs answering, not rhetoric blustering throughout government departments everywhere!
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Message 1345093 - Posted: 10 Mar 2013, 21:36:17 UTC

Sirius, you have hit the nail on the head.
Very much one for governments to get their combined heads around before we walk (crawl, blindfolded?) into a potentially nuclear war, something that no sane person wants.

(However we do want to see a better deal for the majority of North Koreans who just want enough food on the table)
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Message 1345101 - Posted: 10 Mar 2013, 21:50:18 UTC - in response to Message 1345093.

Agree, but unfortunately, the signs have been there for the past 25 years, yet most of the West including the US were/are too busy at chasing big profits to see them.

& if they had, they thought/still think that nobody would be that stupid to start a major conflict......


....& that is what's scaring me! If things continue as they are doing, it'll happen for the simple reason is that man himself is stupid!
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Message 1345103 - Posted: 10 Mar 2013, 21:53:58 UTC - in response to Message 1345093.

Sirius, you have hit the nail on the head.
Very much one for governments to get their combined heads around before we walk (crawl, blindfolded?) into a potentially nuclear war, something that no sane person wants.

(However we do want to see a better deal for the majority of North Koreans who just want enough food on the table)

The real question to ask, Are Obama and Jong-Il as smart as Kennedy and Khrushchev in the Cuban Missile Crises? If not, prepare to glow.

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Message 1345106 - Posted: 10 Mar 2013, 21:55:57 UTC

Sadly I fear that the NK leadership is of the mind set that says "We are in the bunker, we are going down, but we are going to take as many as possible with us". There is little reasoning with such a mind set, all one can hope for is that they will not take too many with them before their bunker (real or metaphorical) collapses around their ears.
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Message 1345115 - Posted: 10 Mar 2013, 22:14:38 UTC - in response to Message 1345103.

Sirius, you have hit the nail on the head.
Very much one for governments to get their combined heads around before we walk (crawl, blindfolded?) into a potentially nuclear war, something that no sane person wants.

(However we do want to see a better deal for the majority of North Koreans who just want enough food on the table)

The real question to ask, Are Obama and Jong-Il as smart as Kennedy and Khrushchev in the Cuban Missile Crises? If not, prepare to glow.


A less relevant question to ask would be, if going by last names, shouldn't it be "Kim" or maybe "Kim Jong"?

Then again, maybe it's not so irrelevant. I know some get offended by not recognizing the difference in order with Occidental versus Oriental names. What other offenses have been taken as many in one culture do not care to know much about another culture?

"Le Vinh ..." ... two Vietnamese boys I knew when I was about 14. "Le Vinh", IIRC, meant "the son of Vinh" and this was followed by their first/given names.

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Message 1345239 - Posted: 11 Mar 2013, 9:05:42 UTC
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NK is officially The Democratic People's Republic of Korea, but there is nothing democratic about it at all. The NK leadership runs a powerful dictatorship over its people, who blindly follow where they are lead, overseen and enforced by the military. If Kim Jong-un declares war, then to war they will go.


On the December 17, 2011 the Supreme Leader of North Korea, Kim Jong-il died from a heart attack. His death was reported by the Korean Central News Agency around 08:30 local time with the newscaster announcing his youngest son Kim Jong-un as his successor. The announcement placed South Korean and United States troops on high alert, with many politicians from the global community stating that Kim's death leaves a great deal of uncertainty in the country's future. North Korea was put into a state of semi-alert, with foreigners put under suspicion and asked to leave.

On January 24, 2013, North Korea announced its intentions to target the United States in its missile and nuclear programs. The statement called the United States, the "sworn enemy of the Korean people".

On March 8, 2013, the North Korean government announced that it was withdrawing from all non-aggression pacts with South Korea in response to UN Resolution 2094. The announcement said it was closing its joint border crossing with South Korea and cutting off the hotline to the South.

If further UN sanctions are announced today it brings conflict one step nearer.

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Message 1345338 - Posted: 11 Mar 2013, 14:53:50 UTC

“Hundreds of thousands of people -- including children -- are held in political prison camps and other detention facilities in North Korea, where they are subject to human- rights violations, such as forced hard labor, denying food as punishment, torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment,” Amnesty said on its website. “Many of those held in political prison camps have not committed any crime but are related to those deemed unfriendly to the regime and detained as a form of collective punishment.”

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Message 1345344 - Posted: 11 Mar 2013, 14:57:56 UTC - in response to Message 1345338.

“Hundreds of thousands of people -- including children -- are held in political prison camps and other detention facilities in North Korea, where they are subject to human- rights violations, such as forced hard labor, denying food as punishment, torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment,” Amnesty said on its website. “Many of those held in political prison camps have not committed any crime but are related to those deemed unfriendly to the regime and detained as a form of collective punishment.”

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Nice ready made "Penal Battalions" a la Russian Front 1941-45 if they do decide to start a war!
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Message 1345376 - Posted: 11 Mar 2013, 16:42:25 UTC - in response to Message 1345344.

“Hundreds of thousands of people -- including children -- are held in political prison camps and other detention facilities in North Korea, where they are subject to human- rights violations, such as forced hard labor, denying food as punishment, torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment,” Amnesty said on its website. “Many of those held in political prison camps have not committed any crime but are related to those deemed unfriendly to the regime and detained as a form of collective punishment.”

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Nice ready made "Penal Battalions" a la Russian Front 1941-45 if they do decide to start a war!


Yes indeed, Cannon fodder. I just not to long ago read about that. In one of my history magazines. Fight and maybe die or we shoot you anyway.

I have to say that human wave attacks dont work. O yes you might overun a position but It is wastefull of men. Read the account of the Marines at Chosin during the Korean war.
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Message 1345396 - Posted: 11 Mar 2013, 17:10:38 UTC - in response to Message 1345376.

“Hundreds of thousands of people -- including children -- are held in political prison camps and other detention facilities in North Korea, where they are subject to human- rights violations, such as forced hard labor, denying food as punishment, torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment,” Amnesty said on its website. “Many of those held in political prison camps have not committed any crime but are related to those deemed unfriendly to the regime and detained as a form of collective punishment.”

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Nice ready made "Penal Battalions" a la Russian Front 1941-45 if they do decide to start a war!


Yes indeed, Cannon fodder. I just not to long ago read about that. In one of my history magazines. Fight and maybe die or we shoot you anyway.

I have to say that human wave attacks dont work. O yes you might overun a position but It is wastefull of men. Read the account of the Marines at Chosin during the Korean war.

Or the Battle of the Imjin River and the Glorious Gloucesters, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Imjin_River

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