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Message 1337060 - Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 15:36:21 UTC

Your last reply demonstrates my point very well.
Thank you.


Now, please supply YOUR definitions of each of the four socio-political, or socio-economic words you list as being "sides" of a coin. I am not interested in what the dictionary says (I have looked them up), but what YOU "Intelligent Design" says.






(A little cultural education "face" is the generic term used to describe the mainly flat surfaces of a coin, upon which are "coined", or "stamped", various impression to impart information about the origin and value of the coin. "Side" may be used as an alternative, particular in games of chance)
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Message 1337067 - Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 16:07:54 UTC

I believe some people are dangerously close to baiting ID.
While their status does not preclude their also posting, still, I think the actions tread a thin line at the moment.
What do you hope he will learn, or that you can learn from him, if anything? If nothing, then it becomes far harder to still to say he is not curently being baited.
He seems to believe S@H, or UC Berkeley, have no rights to set up rules for the use of the S@H fora. To believe that he has not broken any rules.
But, in the meantime, the rules are there and will be enforced.
I believe he will be his usual self and follow his usual pattern soon enough, with no extra bait needed.

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Message 1337109 - Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 17:27:11 UTC - in response to Message 1337067.

I believe some people are dangerously close to baiting ID.
While their status does not preclude their also posting, still, I think the actions tread a thin line at the moment.
What do you hope he will learn, or that you can learn from him, if anything? If nothing, then it becomes far harder to still to say he is not curently being baited.
He seems to believe S@H, or UC Berkeley, have no rights to set up rules for the use of the S@H fora. To believe that he has not broken any rules.
But, in the meantime, the rules are there and will be enforced.
I believe he will be his usual self and follow his usual pattern soon enough, with no extra bait needed.

And we will continue to wonder exactly what he is saying.
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Message 1337135 - Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 19:08:53 UTC - in response to Message 1337109.
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I believe some people are dangerously close to baiting ID.
While their status does not preclude their also posting, still, I think the actions tread a thin line at the moment.
What do you hope he will learn, or that you can learn from him, if anything? If nothing, then it becomes far harder to still to say he is not curently being baited.
He seems to believe S@H, or UC Berkeley, have no rights to set up rules for the use of the S@H fora. To believe that he has not broken any rules.
But, in the meantime, the rules are there and will be enforced.
I believe he will be his usual self and follow his usual pattern soon enough, with no extra bait needed.

And we will continue to wonder exactly what he is saying.

Has he come here for a give-and-take in discussion? If so, let us all give and take. If not, then seek elsewhere. It is not difficult to find those who do not see eye-to-eye with you yet can *discuss* things (and in an understandable fashion).

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Message 1337140 - Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 19:19:31 UTC - in response to Message 1337135.

Soooo not reading any what was written here... Could we consider corporations socialist... follow me for a second. By rule a Socialist organisation uses centralized sites to distribute the services. Corporations use centralized places called warehouses to store their goods in centralized locations to make it easier to distribute goods and services.
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Message 1337160 - Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 20:01:34 UTC - in response to Message 1337140.

Soooo not reading any what was written here... Could we consider corporations socialist... follow me for a second. By rule a Socialist organisation uses centralized sites to distribute the services. Corporations use centralized places called warehouses to store their goods in centralized locations to make it easier to distribute goods and services.


No, communist, the totalitarian state Marx believed would be necessary before true socialism, Unbelievable that the Free Dictionary reversed this. Thank goodness for my education at a private college.

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Message 1337163 - Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 20:07:11 UTC

Socialism is all about society owning everything, or at least that is where its roots are. Communism is a controlling form of socialism - a body decides who can do, or have, what; but everything is still "owned" by everyone (at least in theory).
A corporation is about a small body owning and controlling something, and then selling some of that something to others, but only for the advantage of that corporation.
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Message 1337175 - Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 20:30:04 UTC - in response to Message 1337160.

Soooo not reading any what was written here... Could we consider corporations socialist... follow me for a second. By rule a Socialist organisation uses centralized sites to distribute the services. Corporations use centralized places called warehouses to store their goods in centralized locations to make it easier to distribute goods and services.


No, communist, the totalitarian state Marx believed would be necessary before true socialism, Unbelievable that the Free Dictionary reversed this. Thank goodness for my education at a private college.

Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

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Message 1337225 - Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 22:59:25 UTC - in response to Message 1337217.

Any of various theories or systems of social organization by a government which was formally owned by the one or many owners called, private is the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy, is called socialism. Banks, GM, GE, and any other companies are example of such socialism, willingly or not. Full take over of all companies by the centralized government is called communism.

A government run by business(es) and/or Banks is called Corporatism.

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Message 1337234 - Posted: 11 Feb 2013, 23:14:46 UTC - in response to Message 1337232.

Corprorate Government State--Fascism.

So, we're on the right after all, and Obama is center-right or righty-right.

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Message 1337276 - Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 0:57:27 UTC - in response to Message 1337234.

Corprorate Government State--Fascism.

So, we're on the right after all, and Obama is center-right or righty-right.

Probably, the USA does not even run a national health service for all of its people from conception to the grave, so it cannot be considered as socialist, as most other OECD countries do.

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Message 1337508 - Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 21:34:32 UTC

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Message 1337509 - Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 21:37:14 UTC - in response to Message 1337472.

Man, you folks give up easy.

Don't feed the troll seems like the most probable explanation.

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Message 1337518 - Posted: 12 Feb 2013, 22:00:46 UTC - in response to Message 1337509.

put money on it
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