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Message 1318157 - Posted: 21 Dec 2012, 14:27:17 UTC
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http://2001-2009.state.gov/p/sca/rls/rm/8784.htm

The additional indictment against Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, being unsealed today, makes clear that Daniel Pearl was not the first American to fall victim to terror at the hands of Saeed. In October 1994, the indictment charges, Saeed met Bela J. Nuss, an American tourist, at a restaurant in New Delhi while scouting areas of the city known to be frequented by U.S. citizens and other Westerners. As in the case of Daniel Pearl, Saeed carefully selected Nuss, used lies to befriend him, and lured him to an isolated place where he was kidnapped at gunpoint. Also like the case of Daniel Pearl, Nuss was held in brutal isolation and photographed with a gun pointed at his head while Saeed and his co-conspirators communicated their demands to the media.


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Message 1318926 - Posted: 22 Dec 2012, 19:33:27 UTC - in response to Message 1318157.

http://2001-2009.state.gov/p/sca/rls/rm/8784.htm

The additional indictment against Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, being unsealed today, makes clear that Daniel Pearl was not the first American to fall victim to terror at the hands of Saeed. In October 1994, the indictment charges, Saeed met Bela J. Nuss, an American tourist, at a restaurant in New Delhi while scouting areas of the city known to be frequented by U.S. citizens and other Westerners. As in the case of Daniel Pearl, Saeed carefully selected Nuss, used lies to befriend him, and lured him to an isolated place where he was kidnapped at gunpoint. Also like the case of Daniel Pearl, Nuss was held in brutal isolation and photographed with a gun pointed at his head while Saeed and his co-conspirators communicated their demands to the media.


Nah, you don't need a gun to behead somebody.


Ha ha ha. No responses, eh? Lame, having to open two new other threads to debate the topic.

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Message 1318931 - Posted: 22 Dec 2012, 19:49:35 UTC

http://www.jpost.com/Features/InThespotlight/Article.aspx?id=254616


Unbeknown to Pearl at the time, the men who picked him up had no intention of setting up any interview - let alone with Gilani, whom they did not know. The promise of meeting the Pakistani militant had been a hastily thrown together ruse to lure him into a fairly simple trap. The Islamist kidnappers wanted to use him in order to seek the release of captured militants and terrorists being held by the United States in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The kidnapping plot was amateur, despite being ultimately fatal. The kidnappers did not even know how to operate the cameras and computers needed to make their demands.

The red Suzuki Swift, with Pearl in the front seat, made its way out of Karachi toward an isolated safe house an hour away. When they arrived, Pearl was ushered out at gunpoint and told to hand over his belongings and disrobe. Still unaware of his hosts’ true intentions, he warily believed the increasingly hostile actions of his kidnappers were simply security measures for the high profile terrorist cleric he was supposed to meet. An hour or two later, after telling him they were bringing food, one of the kidnappers chained Pearl to an old car engine.


Wait! Wait! What? They needed guns to kidnap him, before they coould behead him?

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Message 1318935 - Posted: 22 Dec 2012, 19:58:50 UTC

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Message 1318974 - Posted: 22 Dec 2012, 21:46:05 UTC

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/23572/Default.aspx

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Message 1318996 - Posted: 22 Dec 2012, 22:36:35 UTC
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Hello.
If only more people had balanced hemispheres. :)

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Message 1319073 - Posted: 23 Dec 2012, 0:28:18 UTC - in response to Message 1318974.

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/23572/Default.aspx

Interesting. The only way I can see it applying to the US is if you also consider the US a war zone.

Is the US a war zone?
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Message 1319100 - Posted: 23 Dec 2012, 1:05:37 UTC - in response to Message 1319073.

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/23572/Default.aspx

Interesting. The only way I can see it applying to the US is if you also consider the US a war zone.

Is the US a war zone?


Shall we use these message boards as evidence for or against? :)

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Message 1319107 - Posted: 23 Dec 2012, 1:14:47 UTC - in response to Message 1319100.

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/23572/Default.aspx

Interesting. The only way I can see it applying to the US is if you also consider the US a war zone.

Is the US a war zone?


Shall we use these message boards as evidence for or against? :)

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Message 1319115 - Posted: 23 Dec 2012, 1:25:22 UTC - in response to Message 1319107.

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/23572/Default.aspx

Interesting. The only way I can see it applying to the US is if you also consider the US a war zone.

Is the US a war zone?


Shall we use these message boards as evidence for or against? :)

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So, how is life down there in Cabo Wabo these days?
Are you still dating post-Van Halen Sammy Hagar?

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Message 1319122 - Posted: 23 Dec 2012, 1:31:51 UTC - in response to Message 1319115.

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/23572/Default.aspx

Interesting. The only way I can see it applying to the US is if you also consider the US a war zone.

Is the US a war zone?


Shall we use these message boards as evidence for or against? :)

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Message 1319182 - Posted: 23 Dec 2012, 6:38:30 UTC

Why conservatism RULES!

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Message 1319198 - Posted: 23 Dec 2012, 8:21:39 UTC

Liberals liked the idea of armed cops in schools before?

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Message 1319199 - Posted: 23 Dec 2012, 8:22:26 UTC

George H.W. Bush was outraged by LaPierre and quit the NRA?

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Message 1319204 - Posted: 23 Dec 2012, 8:31:20 UTC - in response to Message 1319198.

Liberals liked the idea of armed cops in schools before?

That article seems to be part of the narrative to label the media left wing, when clearly it is not.
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Message 1319336 - Posted: 23 Dec 2012, 17:25:08 UTC
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From the National Review online http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/336338/columbine-had-armed-guard-daniel-foster# (associated with the magazine of William F. Buckley?)

That’s right, but it isn’t like the deputy was sitting around eating doughnuts during the Columbine massacre. He traded fire (that is, he drew fire) with Harris for an extended period of time, during which Harris’s gun jammed. The deputy and the backup he immediately called for exchanged fire with the shooters a second time and helped begin the evacuation of students, all before the SWAT teams and the rest of the cavalry arrived, and before Harris and Klebold killed themselves in the library. Harris and Klebold had an assault plan — a sloppy plan, but a plan nonetheless. They had dozens of IEDs, some of which detonated, others of which did not. And there were two of them. In this highly chaotic tactical environment, the deputy acted both bravely and prudently, and who knows how many lives he saved by engaging Harris.
So, how does that fit with those claiming the guard "was not on campus"?

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Message 1319384 - Posted: 23 Dec 2012, 19:16:40 UTC

Hmmm. Maybe Glenn Beck can help me with the correct translations of late 18th century speech, instead? Certainly, this guy has it wrong. Right, rights?

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Message 1319387 - Posted: 23 Dec 2012, 19:23:49 UTC - in response to Message 1319384.

Hmmm. Maybe Glenn Beck can help me with the correct translations of late 18th century speech, instead? Certainly, this guy has it wrong. Right, rights?

Who here has alluded to this quote?
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Message 1319394 - Posted: 23 Dec 2012, 19:33:21 UTC - in response to Message 1319387.

Hmmm. Maybe Glenn Beck can help me with the correct translations of late 18th century speech, instead? Certainly, this guy has it wrong. Right, rights?

Who here has alluded to this quote?


I have seen it "elsewhere".
We have seen several other quotes appearing "elsewhere" being repeated here.
So, when I debate "elsewhere", I tend to share the same information here.

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Message 1319410 - Posted: 23 Dec 2012, 20:09:53 UTC - in response to Message 1319394.

Hmmm. Maybe Glenn Beck can help me with the correct translations of late 18th century speech, instead? Certainly, this guy has it wrong. Right, rights?

Who here has alluded to this quote?


I have seen it "elsewhere".
We have seen several other quotes appearing "elsewhere" being repeated here.
So, when I debate "elsewhere", I tend to share the same information here.

ok, just trying to clarify the point you are trying to make.
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