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Message 1290718 - Posted: 3 Oct 2012, 12:47:20 UTC

In some forms of quantum gravity, the Planck length is the length scale at which the structure of spacetime becomes dominated by quantum effects, and it would become impossible to determine the difference between two locations less than one Planck length apart. The precise effects of quantum gravity are unknown; often it is suggested that spacetime might have a discrete or foamy structure at n some forms of quantum gravity, the Planck length is the length scale at which the structure of spacetime becomes dominated by quantum effects, and it would become impossible to determine the difference between two locations less than one Planck length apart. The precise effects of quantum gravity are unknown; often it is suggested that spacetime might have a discrete or foamy structure at Planck length scale. length scale.


Well in that case I'm as thick as two short Plancks, which may well be right ;-)

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Message 1290723 - Posted: 3 Oct 2012, 13:18:52 UTC

Indeed, I posted about it a few weeks/months ago.

Similarly, try converting x = 0.121212... to a fraction.
100x = 12.1212... .
So, 99x=12.
x = 12 / 99 - 4 /33.

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Message 1290726 - Posted: 3 Oct 2012, 13:33:23 UTC

142857 is the six repeating digits of 1/7, 0.142857, and is the best-known cyclic number in base 10.[1][2][3][4] If it is multiplied by 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6, the answer will be a cyclic permutation of itself, and will correspond to the repeating digits of 2/7, 3/7, 4/7, 5/7, or 6/7, respectively.


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Message 1290770 - Posted: 3 Oct 2012, 15:12:20 UTC - in response to Message 1290588.
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What did God do before creation?

We will never find out, in this lifetime.

Lynn,
I wouldn't bet on it!

I have an "old book" that completely documents exactly what God was doing before creation. And during creation!

Never say never! You never know what evidence will turn up at a future date!

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Message 1290779 - Posted: 3 Oct 2012, 15:29:46 UTC - in response to Message 1290770.

What did God do before creation?

We will never find out, in this lifetime.

Lynn,
I wouldn't bet on it!

I have an "old book" that completely documents exactly what God was doing before creation. And during creation!

Never say never! You never know what evidence will turn up at a future date!

John.

really care to share the title?

Please dont say the Bible. That doesnt cover anything about GOd prior to creating existance
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Message 1290861 - Posted: 3 Oct 2012, 18:39:42 UTC - in response to Message 1290779.

What did God do before creation?

We will never find out, in this lifetime.

Lynn,
I wouldn't bet on it!

I have an "old book" that completely documents exactly what God was doing before creation. And during creation!

Never say never! You never know what evidence will turn up at a future date!

John.

really care to share the title?

Please dont say the Bible. That doesnt cover anything about GOd prior to creating existance

skildude,
Your not the cleverest, are you?

You been hanging around here for a long time now. And you have read many of my messages. Then i don't need to repeat myself.

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Message 1290865 - Posted: 3 Oct 2012, 18:48:50 UTC - in response to Message 1290861.

Having read Genesis,and played their Abacab album, you certainly do need to explain.

I don't recall reading anything about what God was doing in his scheming ways before the Darkness at the beginning.
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Message 1290879 - Posted: 3 Oct 2012, 19:15:44 UTC
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So in the end we may now have the basic rules as follows:

0, 1, 2, 3 ... can be written as 0.0000, 1.0000, 2.0000, 3.0000 and so on.

Meaning that integer numbers are approximations of their respective non-integer or fractional counterparts.

Some fractional numbers like 1/4 (0.25 or 0.2500000) are finite. Others (like 1/7 or 0,14285714285714285714285714285714) are infinite but repetitive. In the third instance (like pi, or 3,1415926535897932384626433832795, you have not only an infinite number, but also a non-repetitive number).

Exact numbers can be obtained from inexact numbers by means of approximation (meaning truncation or round-offs).

In order to know how approximate or close we can get, we have to deduce or derive the least possible number.

For this, only the numbers themselves, not their possible negative values may be significant.

Therefore we end up with 0.00000001 (where the 0's after 0. goes on forever before the final 1).

But not the number 0 (or 0.00000), by the way, because this number means nothing or of no value at all.

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Message 1290881 - Posted: 3 Oct 2012, 19:21:47 UTC

God looks over his shoulder & spots this thread

His answer: -

I am not a number
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Message 1290928 - Posted: 3 Oct 2012, 21:20:32 UTC - in response to Message 1290865.
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Having read Genesis,and played their Abacab album, you certainly do need to explain.

I don't recall reading anything about what God was doing in his scheming ways before the Darkness at the beginning.

skildude,
Its ok if you don't understand. Of all the people in human history, you skilldude were born into an age with the internet. You had access to more information that any other generation in human history. So you had plenty of time to check if human evolution theory was correct. You choose to be lazy and not bother to check.

We are close to judgement day, so you can ask God yourself. And he will answer you, in person, face to face. You will be given every opportunity to plead your case. When you meet your creator, you can explain to God that you believe that you evolved from a monkey. And God might just grant you your wish, and resurrect you in the body of a monkey.

That way, God will have granted you your one wish......to be a monkey along with all the other atheists. Don't worry, there will be lots of other atheists along with you and they will be granted their wish also. But monkey's don't have a voice box, so it will be terribly confusing not to be able to talk to any of the other atheist monkeys.

Genetic engineering is really great. Its just strings of code, DNA code, that's all. You can do some of the most amazing things. You can put a human mind inside the body of pretty much any creature. Even a monkey. If you really believe you evolved from a monkey, be careful, you might just get what you wish for!

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Message 1290935 - Posted: 3 Oct 2012, 21:48:15 UTC - in response to Message 1290928.

Having read Genesis,and played their Abacab album, you certainly do need to explain.

I don't recall reading anything about what God was doing in his scheming ways before the Darkness at the beginning.

skildude,
Its ok if you don't understand. Of all the people in human history, you skilldude were born into an age with the internet. You had access to more information that any other generation in human history. So you had plenty of time to check if human evolution theory was correct. You choose to be lazy and not bother to check.


That is a flame.
And maybe he just asked nicely.
I've been more blunt: I do not believe you.
If God exists, maybe I am not allowed to question Him/Her/It, but nothing has ever prevented me from doubting a fellow human. There are no sacred writs indicating I should believe you nor anyone else.

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Message 1290944 - Posted: 3 Oct 2012, 22:05:35 UTC
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Did we say farewell to the inch and now use cm instead?

Still, 1/2.54=0,3937007874015748031496062992126 (endless fractional number - last digit rounded off).

0,3937007874015748031496062992126*127=50

If truncating or rounding off this number a little, you get 0.3937*127=49.9999.

Also, (1.00001 + 0.99999) / 2 = 1 (or 1.00000).

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Message 1290979 - Posted: 3 Oct 2012, 23:39:23 UTC
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There's some very good asides here, especially so for 'absolute' or 'non-absolute' numbers. (Meanwhile, Engineers have worked with tolerances for a long while... ;-) Note also Hilbert's countable infinities.)

And then...


There is the Johnny Guinness 'Long Yarn'.


Is this just all an Irish scam and contest winner?

Is this the making of a book?

Or is this real?


All in the name of God/gods?

All just an Anthropomorphism?

Or all lost in the dark mists of Guinness? ;-)


Keep searchin',
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Message 1290988 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 0:07:17 UTC - in response to Message 1290928.
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Genetic engineering is really great. Its just strings of code, DNA code, that's all. You can do some of the most amazing things. You can put a human mind inside the body of pretty much any creature. Even a monkey. If you really believe you evolved from a monkey, be careful, you might just get what you wish for!

John.


You might be able to put a human brain in a monkey, though it would be a mistake to believe this would result in the monkey having a human mind. For that one has to subscribe to the false mind/body dualism.

Its ok if you don't understand. Of all the people in human history, you skilldude were born into an age with the internet. You had access to more information that any other generation in human history. So you had plenty of time to check if human evolution theory was correct. You choose to be lazy and not bother to check.


You have no basis to make such an assertion about skildude's laziness or otherwise. Your rejection of human evolutionary theory may well be correct though I suspect it is not.

I note you appeared to give up on trying to convince us that genetic clones are identical after being provided with evidence to the contrary, this was after stating that you had expertise in the subject (I make no such claim). Could it be that given enough data points you'd do the same with your rejection of human evolution?

Here's a start, the striking similarities of the DNA of great apes (including homo sapiens sapiens):



Source: http://www.mun.ca/biology/scarr/Human_Ape_chromosomes.htm

Sarge wrote:
Indeed, I posted about it a few weeks/months ago.


We did have a similar set of posts around here a few months ago. I note that William made similar references to infinitesimals/hyper-reals there too.
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Message 1291000 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 0:38:26 UTC - in response to Message 1290935.

Having read Genesis,and played their Abacab album, you certainly do need to explain.

I don't recall reading anything about what God was doing in his scheming ways before the Darkness at the beginning.

skildude,
Its ok if you don't understand. Of all the people in human history, you skilldude were born into an age with the internet. You had access to more information that any other generation in human history. So you had plenty of time to check if human evolution theory was correct. You choose to be lazy and not bother to check.


That is a flame.
And maybe he just asked nicely.
I've been more blunt: I do not believe you.
If God exists, maybe I am not allowed to question Him/Her/It, but nothing has ever prevented me from doubting a fellow human. There are no sacred writs indicating I should believe you nor anyone else.

Sarge,
Nobody is forcing you or skilldude to believe anything. I'm stating what i know to be scientific fact. Humanity is about to end and judgement day is almost here. So everyone will get their "moment of glory" where they will be given the chance to plead their case before the Lord God, their creator. This is scientific fact!

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Message 1291001 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 0:41:09 UTC - in response to Message 1290979.
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There's some very good asides here, especially so for 'absolute' or 'non-absolute' numbers. (Meanwhile, Engineers have worked with tolerances for a long while... ;-) Note also Hilbert's countable infinities.)

And then...


There is the Johnny Guinness 'Long Yarn'.


Is this just all an Irish scam and contest winner?

Is this the making of a book?

Or is this real?


All in the name of God/gods?

All just an Anthropomorphism?

Or all lost in the dark mists of Guinness? ;-)


Keep searchin',
Martin

Martin,
Be truthful with me for once! Do you believe any of the stuff i posted on these boards in the last year and a half?

Don't make a laugh of the question. Answer it seriously. Have i made it all up Martin? Or do you think i really have something?

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Message 1291002 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 0:44:00 UTC - in response to Message 1290928.


skildude,
Its ok if you don't understand. Of all the people in human history, you skilldude were born into an age with the internet. You had access to more information that any other generation in human history.

No I was born in 1965. I remember having the mumps and a color TV. I never had an internet as a child. heck I didnt see or use a computer until i was in college.

So you had plenty of time to check if human evolution theory was correct. You choose to be lazy and not bother to check.

I assume you are talking about Darwins theory and not some other misguided attempt at explaining nature on this planet. Linnaeus created modern Taxonomy. assigning and labeling animals with greek or latin names. names that separated animals into specific categories. Modern taxonomists using DNA have found that the old method of comparing anatomy and other biological evidence was very close in it labeling one could ever imagine. Very few species of flora or fauna have had its names changed, excluding bacteria.

We are close to judgement day, so you can ask God yourself. And he will answer you, in person, face to face. You will be given every opportunity to plead your case. When you meet your creator, you can explain to God that you believe that you evolved from a monkey. And God might just grant you your wish, and resurrect you in the body of a monkey.

People have been ranting ab out judgement day for around 2000 years. Still hasnt happened. probably won't anytime soon.

That way, God will have granted you your one wish......to be a monkey along with all the other atheists. Don't worry, there will be lots of other atheists along with you and they will be granted their wish also. But monkey's don't have a voice box, so it will be terribly confusing not to be able to talk to any of the other atheist monkeys.

really so I am a monkey but you aren't. Amazing isn't it that the primates are that similar but you just won't take that half step forward and agree with me and all of science that primates are related to humans. BTW we prefer to be called Great Apes not monkeys.

Genetic engineering is really great. Its just strings of code, DNA code, that's all. You can do some of the most amazing things. You can put a human mind inside the body of pretty much any creature. Even a monkey. If you really believe you evolved from a monkey, be careful, you might just get what you wish for!

John.

we've been eating and growing genetically modified foods for several generations.
Have you ever considered that the ever increasing yields of crops and live stock is due to genetic selection by humans. We've been manipulating crops for a long time. I bet we wouldn't even recognize the first barley and wheat that was cultivated. I bet it looked more like rye grass than the fields of wheat we see now

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Message 1291004 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 0:46:29 UTC - in response to Message 1291001.

John, as an Irishman you were trained to "have the gift of gab", and you use it well. It is a cultural thing.
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Message 1291006 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 0:49:00 UTC

Bobby,
To be honest, i don't want to discuss genetics with you.

Bobby your a very nice person, and i like you. But your out of line when you attempt to correct me in genetics. Your right, you don't have a great knowledge of genetics. I don't want to discuss it with you.

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Message 1291008 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 0:54:04 UTC - in response to Message 1291004.

John, as an Irishman you were trained to "have the gift of gab", and you use it well. It is a cultural thing.

Thanks Betreger,

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