ATI GPU help please

Questions and Answers : GPU applications : ATI GPU help please

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rwarren873 Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 25 Credit: 2,393,298 RAC: 10,497	Message 1273563 - Posted: 21 Aug 2012, 0:46:16 UTC
	I apologize for what may (most likely are) be dumb questions... I was very happy to see ATI supported by stock Boinc because the Lunatics instructions never made sense to me, but I'm having troubles. I've been lurking for years and have been actively reading (though not always understanding) the posts here and I just don't know what I can do to fix these issues. All of my machines are running Catalyst 12.6 Any assistance would be most appreciated. My computer (http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6585335) is happily chugging away at the new tasks. It is a 6core AMD machine with 8gig RAM and a Radeon 6700 (Juniper). My wife's computer (http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6733302 threw nothing but errors. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2562057385 and I finally just changed the "location" of that computer to a new one that does not allow the use of the GPU. Her machine is a 2core AMD machine with 4gig RAM and a Radeon 4650. Finally, my home server (very slow machine) with 1core and 3gig RAM with a Radeon HD 5450 refuses to even download the new ATI tasks. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6585230 If other information is needed I can post it but I didn't want to be too complicated on first glance.
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rwarren873 Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 25 Credit: 2,393,298 RAC: 10,497	Message 1273569 - Posted: 21 Aug 2012, 1:27:33 UTC - in response to Message 1273563.
	Disregard the last computer, my home server. Apparently there's some issue between the video card/drivers, WinServer2008 and BOINC. For some reason BOINC isn't recognizing it as an OpenCL GPU.
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Ageless Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 11759 Credit: 2,073,360 RAC: 2,406	Message 1273620 - Posted: 21 Aug 2012, 6:25:48 UTC - in response to Message 1273569.
	That problem will most likely be the drivers. Windows allowed drivers, even the WHQL, lack the OpenGL and OpenCL components as these are direct competitors to DirectX and Direct Compute. So you'll need drivers from AMD themselves, but here's the problem that AMD does not make GPU drivers for Windows Server versions. Not for WinServer 2008, not for R2. So then you'll need to install BOINC in Windows 7 (64bit) compatibility mode and install the drivers for Windows 7 (64bit), and then hope that the Windows architecture is about the same that the drivers will work. ____________ Jord - BOINC FAQ Service - BOINC User Wiki Real is just a matter of perception.
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rwarren873 Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 25 Credit: 2,393,298 RAC: 10,497	Message 1273799 - Posted: 22 Aug 2012, 0:03:40 UTC - in response to Message 1273620. Last modified: 22 Aug 2012, 0:08:02 UTC
	I'm contemplating just installing Win7 on that machine just because of the driver issue with WinServer2008R2. I'm much more interested in why the 2nd machine can't seem to process a GPU unit at all. It seems it doesn't even try, a couple of seconds after starting, it errors out. The error log in my first post is typical, but I have no idea what the error means or how to fix it. WARNING: patching required max_kernel_wg_size=32 ERROR: patching required max_kernel_wg_size=32 for binary cached kernels! Unhandled Exception Detected... - Unhandled Exception Record - Reason: Out Of Memory (C++ Exception) (0xe06d7363) at address 0x7591B9BC Obviously it looks like a memory problem, but the GPU has 1024MB onboard and the machine itself has 4gig RAM. I thought at first it may be a problem with the hybrid dual-GPU the machine came with that combined an on-motherboard GPU with the 4600 series card, but I disabled the on-board in bios. In the error it talks about max_kernel_wg_size, but the only other reference to wg I can find says "max WG size: 128" so I don't know if that's causing it to self-destruct and if so, how to change it.
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Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 12012 Credit: 19,578,795 RAC: 46,009	Message 1273818 - Posted: 22 Aug 2012, 1:17:29 UTC - in response to Message 1273799.
	The "WG" or workgroup size must be 256 or larger. If it says 128, your GPU cannot be used. At least that's the way it was when the app was being developed, so I believe this to be true unless someone else knows otherwise.
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Mystic. Send message Joined: 28 Aug 99 Posts: 2 Credit: 1,240,903 RAC: 0	Message 1274106 - Posted: 22 Aug 2012, 20:36:36 UTC - in response to Message 1273818.
	I have the same problem with my computer: WARNING: patching required max_kernel_wg_size=64 ERROR: patching required max_kernel_wg_size=64 for binary cached kernels! Unhandled Exception Detected... - Unhandled Exception Record - Reason: Out Of Memory (C++ Exception) (0xe06d7363) at address 0x7591B9BC Only it errors out with size=64 It does state earlier that Max WG size:256 however. Where would you patch this? ____________
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Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 12012 Credit: 19,578,795 RAC: 46,009	Message 1274111 - Posted: 22 Aug 2012, 21:02:18 UTC - in response to Message 1274106.
	A patch would have to be written first. I do not believe one has been written. In fact, the ATi GPU application was written by a third party and was freely given to SETI@Home to use as a "stock" application (after rigorous testing was done to ensure that the application met the standards set by the SETI@Home team). This third party person (Raistmer, I believe) would have to write new code to support low workgroup GPUs.
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BilBg Send message Joined: 27 May 07 Posts: 2087 Credit: 3,269,208 RAC: 8,707	Message 1274256 - Posted: 23 Aug 2012, 6:53:06 UTC - in response to Message 1274111.
	This third party person (Raistmer, I believe) would have to write new code to support low workgroup GPUs. But his tasks show "Max work group size: 256" http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2571256428 http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2570688972 I don't know what "WARNING: patching required max_kernel_wg_size=64" means. I will try to PM Raistmer to direct him to this thread. The only other place I found max_kernel_wg_size (in 1 year period) is: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=68675&postid=1258896#1258896 ____________ - ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :)
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Raistmer Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 2618 Credit: 26,576,538 RAC: 35,305	Message 1274272 - Posted: 23 Aug 2012, 7:55:23 UTC - in response to Message 1274106.
	I have the same problem with my computer: WARNING: patching required max_kernel_wg_size=64 ERROR: patching required max_kernel_wg_size=64 for binary cached kernels! Unhandled Exception Detected... - Unhandled Exception Record - Reason: Out Of Memory (C++ Exception) (0xe06d7363) at address 0x7591B9BC Only it errors out with size=64 It does state earlier that Max WG size:256 however. Where would you patch this? Previous reports were from low-end GPUs with max WG size of 128 and tasks were completed OK on those hosts in spite of this precaution warning. So it was leaved as is, but apparently not in all cases this precaution warning can be safely ignored. "patching" is done inside oclFFT kernel generation routine and means that after initial kernels generation routine discovered that kernels need change to be runnable on device. Perhaps, binary cache recives wrong kernel version in this situation. I will try to do fix for this issue but this can take some time. What to try right now: 1. To stop Ati GPU processing on affected host. It's easiest but least productive. 2. Try to recive more info about issue - is it binary cache connected or not: suspend all GPU tasks, go to project directory and delete all oclFFT*.bin files, unsuspend single GPU task and let it run or error, report outcome to server, give link to result. 3. If you prefer to stay on "Stock" path try to replace AP stock executable with r455 AP gpu opt file (via renaming). That build has no binary cache as far as I can recall and can be free from this issue. But it would be easier to download and run Lunatics installer.
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Raistmer Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 2618 Credit: 26,576,538 RAC: 35,305	Message 1274278 - Posted: 23 Aug 2012, 8:06:01 UTC - in response to Message 1274256.
	But his tasks show "Max work group size: 256" I don't know what "WARNING: patching required max_kernel_wg_size=64" means. I will try to PM Raistmer to direct him to this thread. The reason why patching required in this case - HD4xxx family of ATi GPUs has no real local/shared memory (they have fast LDS memory but it doesn't meet OpenCL requirements for local memory so was never exposed to OpenCL runtime. OpenCL can't use all available hardware resources for these GPUs). It emulates this kind of memory via global GPU memory. Consequence of this (besides much longer shared memory access times and performance issues in kernels that uses shared memory) - workgroup size for kernel that uses shared/local memory can not exceed 1 wavefront size, i.e., 64. oclFFT kernels use local memory so their workgroup should be 64 even if GPU itself supports max WG size of 256.
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Mystic. Send message Joined: 28 Aug 99 Posts: 2 Credit: 1,240,903 RAC: 0	Message 1274757 - Posted: 24 Aug 2012, 6:27:27 UTC - in response to Message 1274272.
	I suspended the gpu tasks and deleted the oclFFT*.bin file and unsuspended gpu. It errored out with the same error after recompiling a new file( I think). result link is http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=2576204752 I stopped gpu tasks for now. Thanks for all the info. I'll check out the Lunatics installer. ____________
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rwarren873 Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 25 Credit: 2,393,298 RAC: 10,497	Message 1274868 - Posted: 24 Aug 2012, 13:20:46 UTC - in response to Message 1274757.
	I had no luck with that solution either. I'm going to swap the 5450 out of my WinServer machine that won't do GPU tasks anyway with the 4650 that's in my wife's machine this weekend. Thank you all for the help!
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Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 12012 Credit: 19,578,795 RAC: 46,009	Message 1274871 - Posted: 24 Aug 2012, 13:43:49 UTC - in response to Message 1274868.
	I have three HD 4650s and all of them have a workgroup size of 128 and won't crunch. I don't think you'll have any luck with that either.
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rwarren873 Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 25 Credit: 2,393,298 RAC: 10,497	Message 1276879 - Posted: 29 Aug 2012, 4:25:08 UTC - in response to Message 1274871. Last modified: 29 Aug 2012, 4:26:44 UTC
	Well, wife's machine is happy now using the stock BOINC ATI app with the HD5450 from my server. The server has the 4650 which won't do GPU, but driver issues with Windows Server 2008R2 prevented that anyway. Now if only SETI would get over what ever is preventing new GPU tasks being sent out, I'd be good to go :) Thank you all for the assistance! ____________
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dragon1 Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 33 Credit: 1,074,239 RAC: 443	Message 1292906 - Posted: 8 Oct 2012, 19:40:06 UTC
	Just coming into this late and have recently installed a Radeon 4650 into my system which is a Core 2 duo on Windows XP home. Those cores are both crunching but BOINC says I have "no useable" GPU. My preferences are set to use GPU. Is there any way to get the Radeon 4650 GPU to run while running SETI@home (non BETA)? Or is it just not up to the job. The system previously ran an NVidia 8300 GPU which was not a CUDA acceptable processor apparently. ____________
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Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 12012 Credit: 19,578,795 RAC: 46,009	Message 1292913 - Posted: 8 Oct 2012, 19:58:14 UTC - in response to Message 1292906.
	If BOINC isn't detecting a usable GPU, you'll need to make sure you're installing the OpenCL compatible drivers for Windows XP, of which the last version to support OpenCL for XP was Catalyst 12.1. But having three ATI Radeon HD 4650s, I can tell you that the stock app cannot use them anyway. You would need to install a third-party app that will utilize the Radeon's CAL instruction set for AstroPulse-only tasks. ..and yes, the nVidia 8300 was not CUDA compatible. Only the 8800 series and newer support nVidia's CUDA initiative.
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arkayn Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 14 May 99 Posts: 3148 Credit: 41,331,550 RAC: 34,605	Message 1293004 - Posted: 9 Oct 2012, 0:13:58 UTC
	I would also ask whether you installed BOINC in protected mode. The 7.0.x versions no longer allow you to use the GPU in that mode. ____________
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Questions and Answers : GPU applications : ATI GPU help please