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Message 1264550 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 18:31:56 UTC

Skype makes chats and user data more available to police

Skype, the online phone service long favored by political dissidents, criminals and others eager to communicate beyond the reach of governments, has expanded its cooperation with law enforcement authorities to make online chats and other user information available to police, said industry and government officials familiar with the changes...
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Message 1264553 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 18:38:12 UTC - in response to Message 1264550.

It was to be expected sooner or later after Microsoft got their hands on it.
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Message 1264565 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 18:54:37 UTC

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Message 1264572 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 19:13:48 UTC - in response to Message 1264565.

Thanks for the link WK. Also, there is an excellent link off the one you posted....

William Binney,ex-NSA & Jacob Appelbaum

Interesting videos.
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Message 1264592 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 19:45:50 UTC - in response to Message 1264572.

Damn, they really are interesting videos!

Terrific Border Agents you guys have.....big strapping lads carrying guns & afraid of a "little old pen"...

..Just proves the point that the "Pen is indeed mightier than the sword"

Also, I thought that you had the right to an attorney when being questioned or is it that the "magic" word was mentioned & that word being "terrorism" which totally negates your laws........

....so William Binney & Laura Poitras are terrorists then?
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Message 1264634 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 20:54:53 UTC - in response to Message 1264592.

If they don't like you, you become a terror suspect with limited or no rights.
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Message 1264636 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 20:56:23 UTC - in response to Message 1264634.

If they don't like you, you become a terror suspect with limited or no rights.


In other words the USA is no longer a demrocracy.....saying that, I think we're not that far behind you.
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Message 1264666 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 22:22:19 UTC - in response to Message 1264636.

If they don't like you, you become a terror suspect with limited or no rights.


In other words the USA is no longer a demrocracy.....saying that, I think we're not that far behind you.

USA always a republic, but form of government has nothing to do with following the constitution.

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Message 1264673 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 22:51:04 UTC

So there are two different ways in which countries are governed in quite a good way, at least when it comes to the handling and execution of the laws, which always is the most important point - namely republics and monarchies.

Do we find politicians in both of these governing forms? Are they supposed to be enforcing the rules, or do they just agree on their meaning and contents as proposed?

Police sometimes chose their own way of interpreting things. They see the bad things right on the spot and try to get it away without hesitation. If there is disagreement when it comes to something, the matter should be brought to the courts for proper settlement.

Again, we are back to politics. They come up with new laws and try improving existing ones. Laws that are already in existence and valid are being handled by the courts. If you are lucky, you could end up a free man - if not so, you might end up dead, possibly already in the streets.

I guess there are things and lessons still to be learnt, by all of us.

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Message 1264680 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 23:10:50 UTC - in response to Message 1264673.

Music, in this case an accused terrorist may not have the right of judicial review
under our anti-terrorism laws.
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Message 1264708 - Posted: 27 Jul 2012, 0:58:11 UTC

There are domestic terrorists and foreign terrorists.

The domestic ones are treated like ordinary criminals and get their rights; well, as long as the police don't think there is a bomb waiting to go off; in that case they will do what they think they need to locate it. The exception came from kidnapping cases and the need of the police to swiftly locate a victim that may still be alive. Same thing for a bomb with a timer.

Foreign terrorists are not US Citizens and many of the protections of the US Constitution do not apply to them, so they end up at Gitmo being water boarded. Since they are not state actors then Geneva doesn't apply either.

The odd ball case is the foreign terrorist caught in the USA on a valid visa. Being caught in the USA and legally here, he might be due the protections of the US Constitution. I don't think this case has come before SCOTUS yet.

The other odd ball is the US Citizen terrorist caught overseas. I suspect the government would take the position he abrogated his citizenship in becoming a terrorist and thus treat him as a foreign terrorist.

In any case this is getting far away from Skype and the company that owns it and their decision to hand over user information.

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Message 1264712 - Posted: 27 Jul 2012, 1:17:10 UTC - in response to Message 1264708.

Gary, you are correct about off topic. Microsoft, Skype, will do what the DOJ requests, as long as it does not effect their bottom line.
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Message 1264714 - Posted: 27 Jul 2012, 1:21:14 UTC
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Microsoft Windows is the largest spy weapon by us government in history. Now rearming with Skype it totally make sense.

Even Blackberry and Apple iOS are optional spying weapon by the same authority:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM0YWRYaB_c - from uk media few months ago.

So I am not sure whether the communist government is worst public spying controller or the capitalist "democratic" government is...

Even worse now Blackberry and iPhone users can be fall victims of any mafia or private survielance services to be monitored unlimitedly in many countries.
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Message 1264726 - Posted: 27 Jul 2012, 2:11:53 UTC - in response to Message 1264712.

I don't have any sympathy with people roaming the streets.

The end result is crashed windows and possibly damaged or even destroyed properties.

In some instances, people in uniform turn their weapon on you without a previous warning. To me, this does not make any sense either.

Catch criminals, whoever they are.

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Message 1264790 - Posted: 27 Jul 2012, 9:17:51 UTC

Here's a scary thought for you.....

The FBI/DHS/CIA/NSA approach DA & "officially" request that he "inserts an Addendum" to the Boinc code.....

Will he refuse & receive the same treatment as William Binney/Laura Poitras/Jacob Appelbaum or acquiesce?
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Message 1264850 - Posted: 27 Jul 2012, 13:53:07 UTC - in response to Message 1264790.

Here's a scary thought for you.....

The FBI/DHS/CIA/NSA approach DA & "officially" request that he "inserts an Addendum" to the Boinc code.....

Will he refuse & receive the same treatment as William Binney/Laura Poitras/Jacob Appelbaum or acquiesce?

You have that sequence wrong. The request will come to the Regents of the University of California, if they wish to continue to receive Federal Funding, accompanied by a National Security Letter, who will pass it along to the Powers at Berkeley, who will tell DA to do it or you are fired. If DA refuses, each person in turn on the BOINC project will get the same ultimatum until it is done or BOINC ceases to exist.

Yes, DA's paycheck comes in part from Federal Government money. No question what he does.

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Message 1265061 - Posted: 28 Jul 2012, 1:31:16 UTC
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The very OS itself is spying weapon devised by some department around Pentagon why bother messing with Boinc or any other application?!

Windows, iOS, Blackerry maybe Linux?!

And according to above video source Gmail is maybe some sophisticated surveilance connection platform well that is why chinese dominantly attacked that not yahoomail or hotmail.

90% of all pc-s have MS-Win so it will be extremely stupid if country of origin defense service not to exploit that.
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