I wouldn't be too sure about being certain that the particle they are calling the "Higgs Boson" is the one they are looking for. Apparently there are a few discrepancies between the discovered particles properties and those expected of the Higgs Boson. Although its charge and velocity are about right its trajectory suggests its mass (EV) ratio is somewhat out. More work needed, who knows they might be looking at two of three particles....

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

I really don't give a hoot one way or the other if he is a atheist. His work begs the question of the Unmoved Mover.

Interesting considering that you appear to care so much about Einstein's thoughts on religion.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

So you thought the Universe was created in the Big Bang.

This was the moment of Creation.

Was it possibly God's creation, or is nature only what we are supposed to believe what it is?

What, if anything was before the Big Bang? If everything came into existence from the Big Bang, it may have come from somewhere.

Did it all start in a singularity? We assume that black holes exist today and that inside the "event horizon" exists such a singularity, possible at the core or nucleus of such a black hole if such a thing is real.

But black holes attract all matter that is around them. The Big Bang led to everything moving apart, creating an inflationary Universe. As a result, the Universe is known to be expanding, possibly forever into infinity.

If gravity leads to everything contracting or falling together into each other, why does the Universe still exist or otherwise was created? Is it possible that black holes may not exist forever, or that there possibly may be an upper limit on their masses in order for them not to expand or inflate into infinity once more?

Which is similar to the Steady State theory, I guess.

Bobby, I am replying to some of the other issues raised to see if, in the end, they have any relevance to the original post.

William:

3 times 1/3 equals 1

3 times .33333333...... equals .9999999999.......

So I conclude that our numbers are inadequate to correctly express 1/3 as a decimal even though it is a "rational" number.

Your "dot, dot, dots" imply repetition.
As such, I do not see a problem.
Yes, irrational numbers, when written as decimals, will not be expressed exactly. As the rationals either terminate or exhibit periodic repetition, when written as decimals, since we have a method (either the dot, dot, dots or a repetend bar or the part that repeats), any rational number can still be written exactly, even in decimal form.

2 * 1/2 = 1.
Yet, also, 2 * 2/4 = 1.

We do say 1/2 = 2/4, or, at the least, they are equivalent, if you will.

So, how is this any different from your quoted part of the post?
If anything, perhaps there are different assumptions involved. That will be addressed below.

Quantum mysteries in space and time may be nothing more than the fact that there are problems with our numbers and with the Calculus. These have served us well but things get weird in Physics at the very large and the very small.

I suspect you have not expressed this well.
You and I should both know about undefined terms, defined terms, axioms and theorems, and the application of logic to develop an axiomatic system.
Provided consistency, etc. ..., Analysis stands on its own just fine. Whether it serves as a good model for something natural observed in the universe is another question entirely.

Read a few articles on the Hyperreals and I think you will see what I am getting at in rejecting the popular proofs of .999999..... equal to 1.00000...... . A Hyperreal is a number that is smaller than any real number but greater than zero. It's inverse is larger than any real number . Sounds goofy doesn't it ; but dig into them and you will see what I am talking about.

There is a video explaining why the popular proofs are incorrect. I will try to find it again when I have more time.

Again, I suspect you have not expressed this well.
As I said before, I have not been addressing the hyperreals
My proof (a "popular proof", as you call it) clearly makes use of classical/standard Analysis.
In particular, you could say I am considering the infinite sequence {0.9, 0.99, 0.999, ...}, or the infinite sum of 9 * 10^(n) for n from 1 to infinity. Further, the use of if {a_n} ---> A and {b_n} ---> B as n ---> infinity, then {a_n - b_n} ---> A - B as n ---> infinity.
Given the current axiomatic approach resurrected in the past 100-250 years, approximately, my proof is not wrong. It is correct within a particular axiomatic system.
To not address this is like denying that the sum of the interior angles of a triangle is 180 degrees. If it is stated or otherwise clear that the other is working within Euclidean geometry, that speaker is not wrong. If you wish to say that sum is not constant and always less than 180 degrees, you should state you are in the Poincare half-plane or something like that.

or the infinite sum of 9 * 10^(n) for n from 1 to infinity.

Too late to edit: a -n as the power, not n.

So you thought the Universe was created in the Big Bang.

This was the moment of Creation.

Yes.

Was it possibly God's creation, or is nature only what we are supposed to believe what it is?

Yes, it is God's Creation. Nature is what it is. Math describes in many cases what nature is. But nature cannot in many cases be described by math.

What, if anything was before the Big Bang? If everything came into existence from the Big Bang, it may have come from somewhere.

Before the Big Bang? [smile] You might as well ask me what is north of the north pole.

As I have said, the Designer stands outside of our timeline. The Designer made the fabric of spacetime so it stands to reason the the Designer stands outside of our linear timeline.

As with particles, for a time the Big Bang was in this verse [for a time] and not.

Did it all start in a singularity? We assume that black holes exist today and that inside the "event horizon" exists such a singularity, possible at the core or nucleus of such a black hole if such a thing is real.

I don't think we live inside of a Blackhole and I also don't think the Micro-Wave Background noise is the inside of the Event Horizon.

But black holes attract all matter that is around them. The Big Bang led to everything moving apart, creating an inflationary Universe. As a result, the Universe is known to be expanding, possibly forever into infinity.

Yes, blackholes eat what is caught in its gravity well, they do not attract anything that I know of, least that is what my master says.

If we was on the inside of a blackhole we would see everything moving away from us, the micro wave background noise is not the inside of the event horizon.

Yes, the Universe is expanding due to perhaps darkmatter. Im not so sure that it's into infinity. Im more of a perpetual motion machine kinda person. I believe the micro wave background noise is like the doctor slapping the babies behind, no Entropy.

If gravity leads to everything contracting or falling together into each other, why does the Universe still exist or otherwise was created? Is it possible that black holes may not exist forever, or that there possibly may be an upper limit on their masses in order for them not to expand or inflate into infinity once more?

Which is similar to the Steady State theory, I guess.

I guess? Then again I think your being silly because it's gonna end in a crunch and perhaps, rebirth.

No, I don't believe in Reincarnation

I'm having a problem understanding all these posts!

We have a debate regarding Science vs Religion... fair enough, we all have different views.

What's bugging me me is this 21st century political correctness B/S!

It's either God or Science!

just WTH is all this Intelligent Design/Unmoved Mover crap?

One either has faith in God or Science

Or is it all just religious jargon to confuse one just like the I.T. industry?

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I'm having a problem understanding all these posts!

We have a debate regarding Science vs Religion... fair enough, we all have different views.

What's bugging me me is this 21st century political correctness B/S!

It's either God or Science!

just WTH is all this Intelligent Design/Unmoved Mover crap?

One either has faith in God or Science

Or is it all just religious jargon to confuse one just like the I.T. industry?

Seems to me that one could live perfectly well without faith in either Science or God, indeed without faith in anything. What does a tree have faith in? A fish? &c. Why should homo sapien sapien be any different?

As for the Unmoved Mover, First Cause, Uncaused Cause, and the like, (over)simplistically, before the advent of quantum mechanics it was widely held that all around us is the result of cause and effect, which begged the questions, after tracing all the effects back to the dawn of time, what was the first cause, and how did it come to be? Believers have it that "God" is such a thing. If you read the links you'll see the ideas have nothing to do with 21st century "political correctness".

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Homo sapian shall survive for bit now.
Then expire by their own means.

I am thankful I shall not live long enough to witness it all.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

I'm having a problem understanding all these posts!

We have a debate regarding Science vs Religion... fair enough, we all have different views.

What's bugging me me is this 21st century political correctness B/S!

It's either God or Science!

just WTH is all this Intelligent Design/Unmoved Mover crap?

One either has faith in God or Science

Or is it all just religious jargon to confuse one just like the I.T. industry?

The study of science in my younger years lead me away from God. The reason being I lacked logical thinking.

The older I became the more logic/wisdom I obtained from people older and much wiser then myself. So, once I understood that I was on the inside looking out, not on the outside looking in, science gave me a better understanding of the Designer.

In my early 30's Time Mag ran a piece about Monks in the state of Az. And they gave a e-mail to talk to these Monks. So I did. I asked the question of one. In my youth I knew there was a Designer and everytime I went Morel Mushroom hunting I had the feeling that He was with me while hunting them. As I grew into my teens and 20's I no longer felt Him around while doing so. I asked the Monk where the Designer went and if He ever was?

The answer was simple and the logic could not be denied...

He said..."Are you looking for God? Or, are you looking for mushrooms?"

I can multitask...

After all this time Bobby, you still don't get it. I wasn't requesting an explanation according to the "gospel" I was being sarcastic....never mind, I still got a laugh.

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Mushrooms are nice foodstuffs & at least they can be seen to be believed.

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Mushrooms are nice foodstuffs & at least they can be seen to be believed.

True. Ive never had a mushroom lie to me. I believe in them.

Mushrooms are nice foodstuffs & at least they can be seen to be believed.

True. Ive never had a mushroom lie to me. I believe in them.

Yes, I'm sure you believe everything the magic mushroom says to you.

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ROFLMAO

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ROFLMAO

Glad to be of service ...

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Mushrooms are nice foodstuffs & at least they can be seen to be believed.

True. Ive never had a mushroom lie to me. I believe in them.

Yes, I'm sure you believe everything the magic mushroom says to you.

I clearly stated, Morel Mushroom--smartass.

I clearly stated, Morel Mushroom--smartass.

Are they available on the retail market & are they tasty?

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ID, yes you did clearly state morels, but your history of being recalcitrant gives many reason to doubt your perception of reality.
Possibly your greatest contribution to mankind will end up being the SETI work units you are processing!

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I clearly stated, Morel Mushroom--smartass.

Are they available on the retail market & are they tasty?

Yes, very seasonal. And yes, very tasty.

Auction in Greenup Il for big city restaurants. Expensive...