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Message 1237678 - Posted: 27 May 2012, 0:50:11 UTC

And to address the initial issue.....
It seems that for all of you the best way to discuss racism is to ignore it.

Way to go, chaps.

Diss my thread and all hopes of an honest discussion on the topic, dear Frederick.

For the want of a single word.

Now, I ask you, who is lacking compassion and understanding here?

It is not I./
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Message 1237681 - Posted: 27 May 2012, 0:52:12 UTC - in response to Message 1237675.
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What I don't understand is that you claim you want to have a discussion about racism, yet when people attempt to engage you, all you do is get belligerent, or you think you're being cute and witty.

Where's the discussion? Where's the point and counter-point? Or is this just another example of "I want to state my opinion and screw everyone that disagrees with me"?

You seem to forget that my initial post was dimissed by the mod on high due to it's controversial nature and the inclusion of terms deemed by me to be partial to the discussion.

It's kinda hard to discuss the night without calling it dark.
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Message 1237685 - Posted: 27 May 2012, 1:01:55 UTC - in response to Message 1237681.

What I don't understand is that you claim you want to have a discussion about racism, yet when people attempt to engage you, all you do is get belligerent, or you think you're being cute and witty.

Where's the discussion? Where's the point and counter-point? Or is this just another example of "I want to state my opinion and screw everyone that disagrees with me"?

You seem to forget that my initial post was dimissed by the mod on high due to it's controversial nature and the inclusion of terms deemed by me to be partial to the discussion.

It's kinda hard to discuss the night without calling it dark.


Then I'm afraid we'll never be able to have the discussion you wish, and rightly so as SETI@Home is not the place for it.

I already told you how you can have the discussion, but I think I was right, you want to have the discussion your way, and if you can't have it your way, you'll just do like you always do.....

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Message 1237690 - Posted: 27 May 2012, 1:09:48 UTC - in response to Message 1237685.

What I don't understand is that you claim you want to have a discussion about racism, yet when people attempt to engage you, all you do is get belligerent, or you think you're being cute and witty.

Where's the discussion? Where's the point and counter-point? Or is this just another example of "I want to state my opinion and screw everyone that disagrees with me"?

You seem to forget that my initial post was dimissed by the mod on high due to it's controversial nature and the inclusion of terms deemed by me to be partial to the discussion.

It's kinda hard to discuss the night without calling it dark.


Then I'm afraid we'll never be able to have the discussion you wish, and rightly so as SETI@Home is not the place for it.

I already told you how you can have the discussion, but I think I was right, you want to have the discussion your way, and if you can't have it your way, you'll just do like you always do.....


I think the only intelligent comment you have made on the initial point so far.......

Is maybe the subject it too flammable for the Seti boards to handle.
It is a hot one.

"Have the discussion MY way, or not at all?"

Like I said, my friend, why discuss the night if you are not allowed to call it dark?

I don't make the rules here, they have been laid out before me, and quite forcefully drawn down on my neck when I attempt to step over.



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Message 1237694 - Posted: 27 May 2012, 1:13:46 UTC - in response to Message 1237678.
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Then discuss it we shall.

The USA has a quota system for immigration. In Bakke v. Regents no less than SCOTUS found that quota's are discrimination. Ergo the US Federal Government is a bigot. It isn't that much of a stretch to claim that those who support the USA quota system for immigration are also bigots.

Observe that the 14th amendment only prohibits States from discrimination, not the Federal Government. Why is that? Should it be changed?

What are legitimate reasons to deny entry? Past criminal record? Communicable disease? Not enough resources to stay off public assistance? Occupation? Skin color? Culture? Language? Religion? A small quota because "we don't like your people?"
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Message 1237700 - Posted: 27 May 2012, 1:19:15 UTC - in response to Message 1237690.

Like I said, my friend, why discuss the night if you are not allowed to call it dark?


Because certain words are deemed inappropriate. Call it whatever you wish, but don't use the offensive words.

I don't make the rules here, they have been laid out before me, and quite forcefully drawn down on my neck when I attempt to step over.


Yeah "forcefully" because these forums are SO oppressive.

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Message 1237701 - Posted: 27 May 2012, 1:21:04 UTC

My principal point in the discussion has always been those who evade the issue and enter the county illegally.
I want them OUT of our country and the borders enforced rigorously.

Is it too much to expect of a nation to enforce it's borders??????
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Message 1237703 - Posted: 27 May 2012, 1:23:12 UTC - in response to Message 1237701.

My principal point in the discussion has always been those who evade the issue and enter the county illegally.
I want them OUT of our country and the borders enforced rigorously.

Is it too much to expect of a nation to enforce it's borders??????


What does this have to do with using racially offensive words or your initial post that was removed? They are two completely different topics.

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Message 1237705 - Posted: 27 May 2012, 1:28:05 UTC - in response to Message 1237701.

Is it too much to expect of a nation to enforce it's borders??????

Any government can only enforce laws which are workable. Try looking up prohibition.

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Message 1237706 - Posted: 27 May 2012, 1:28:15 UTC - in response to Message 1237703.
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My principal point in the discussion has always been those who evade the issue and enter the county illegally.
I want them OUT of our country and the borders enforced rigorously.

Is it too much to expect of a nation to enforce it's borders??????


What does this have to do with using racially offensive words or your initial post that was removed? They are two completely different topics.

I dunno....the two bits seem to be entwined these days.

Due to the fact the a certain (expletive deleted) bunch seem to feel that there are no borders, and our country is free for the taking.

Racially offensive......as in, we, the people, can no longer discuss those hwo we find offensive?

There are no races, creeds, or religions that can be discussed without offending somebody?

If true, you might as well knack off now.
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Message 1237707 - Posted: 27 May 2012, 1:28:33 UTC

The USA lets in BY LAW over 2 million people per year. Thats more then all other Countries put together if I understand the point correctly.

My source, Lou Dobbs has said this on both CNN & FOX.

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Message 1237710 - Posted: 27 May 2012, 1:31:18 UTC - in response to Message 1237707.
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The USA lets in BY LAW over 2 million people per year. Thats more then all other Countries put together if I understand the point correctly.

My source, Lou Dobbs has said this on both CNN & FOX.


Dammit.....
Dammit.
I have NEVER expressed a problem with LEGAL immigration to this country.
My own Grandparents came here from Germany. And I am proud of my German ancestry.

My one and only point has been about those entering and staying here ILLEGALLY.

Get the freaking point right.
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Message 1237711 - Posted: 27 May 2012, 1:37:37 UTC - in response to Message 1237710.

My one and only point has been about those entering and staying here ILLEGALLY.

Then you would have no problem of going back to the rules when your grand parents came, of simply showing up at the border and declaring yourself as wanting in, no restrictions on numbers.

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Message 1237714 - Posted: 27 May 2012, 1:40:09 UTC

We are are all homo sapiens...light years away from some thing similar yet it seems incapable in the main of accepting each other and co-operaring in a kind way... what a paradox !

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Message 1237716 - Posted: 27 May 2012, 1:43:52 UTC - in response to Message 1237707.

The USA lets in BY LAW over 2 million people per year. Thats more then all other Countries put together if I understand the point correctly.

My source, Lou Dobbs has said this on both CNN & FOX.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9288158/Fox-News-viewers-worst-informed-study-finds.html

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Message 1237720 - Posted: 27 May 2012, 1:48:32 UTC - in response to Message 1237711.
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My one and only point has been about those entering and staying here ILLEGALLY.

Then you would have no problem of going back to the rules when your grand parents came, of simply showing up at the border and declaring yourself as wanting in, no restrictions on numbers.

My grandparents immigrated in the legal manner......
Did all the paperwork, had a dollar in their pocket, spoke somewhat the King's English, and danced the dance.
My grandpapa went to work in a shoe factory, Florsheim as I recall.
And subsequentially earned a living for my Grandmother.
And then, in Sheboygan Wisconsin, started to raise a family that included my father and my 3 uncles.
In 1954, he was able to build the house that I am now living in and posting to you from.

Yeah, I do know about LEGAL immigration.
The Fox Valley and most of Wisconsin was built on LEGAL immigration.

Our heritage is very wonderful because of it.
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Message 1237725 - Posted: 27 May 2012, 1:53:04 UTC - in response to Message 1237706.

I dunno....the two bits seem to be entwined these days.

Due to the fact the a certain (expletive deleted) bunch seem to feel that there are no borders, and our country is free for the taking.


Immigration and racism are not intertwined unless you hate all immigrants too.

Racially offensive......as in, we, the people, can no longer discuss those hwo we find offensive?

There are no races, creeds, or religions that can be discussed without offending somebody?

If true, you might as well knack off now.


No, you can discuss freely. You don't have to use racially offensive words to get your point across. How many times do I have to state that?

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Message 1237731 - Posted: 27 May 2012, 2:02:06 UTC - in response to Message 1237725.
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I dunno....the two bits seem to be entwined these days.

Due to the fact the a certain (expletive deleted) bunch seem to feel that there are no borders, and our country is free for the taking.


Immigration and racism are not intertwined unless you hate all immigrants too.

Racially offensive......as in, we, the people, can no longer discuss those hwo we find offensive?

There are no races, creeds, or religions that can be discussed without offending somebody?

If true, you might as well knack off now.


No, you can discuss freely. You don't have to use racially offensive words to get your point across. How many times do I have to state that?

I choose to use the factual words to express my opinions.
I don't wish to couch my words in politically correct terms.
Does that explain it?

You should listen to a bit of Hal Holbrook eptitomizing Mark Twain.

Another man not too shy of words.
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Message 1237735 - Posted: 27 May 2012, 2:06:35 UTC - in response to Message 1237731.

I dunno....the two bits seem to be entwined these days.

Due to the fact the a certain (expletive deleted) bunch seem to feel that there are no borders, and our country is free for the taking.


Immigration and racism are not intertwined unless you hate all immigrants too.

Racially offensive......as in, we, the people, can no longer discuss those hwo we find offensive?

There are no races, creeds, or religions that can be discussed without offending somebody?

If true, you might as well knack off now.


No, you can discuss freely. You don't have to use racially offensive words to get your point across. How many times do I have to state that?

I choose to use the factual words to express my opinions.
I don't wish to couch my words in politically correct terms.
Does that explain it?

You should listen to a bit of Hal Holbrook eptitomizing Mark Twain.

Another man not too shy of words.


How are racially offensive words "factual"? What does using racially offensive words have to do with facts at all? What "facts" are we discussing here?

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Message 1237736 - Posted: 27 May 2012, 2:10:42 UTC - in response to Message 1237710.

The USA lets in BY LAW over 2 million people per year. Thats more then all other Countries put together if I understand the point correctly.

My source, Lou Dobbs has said this on both CNN & FOX.


Dammit.....
Dammit.
I have NEVER expressed a problem with LEGAL immigration to this country.
My own Grandparents came here from Germany. And I am proud of my German ancestry.

My one and only point has been about those entering and staying here ILLEGALLY.

Get the freaking point right.


DANGIT!!!
DANGIT....
....I know that, it wasn't pointed at you!
DANGIT!
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