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Message 1242669 - Posted: 7 Jun 2012, 7:34:14 UTC

Could we kindly stay on topic?

(*shakes head* this is why I tend to stay off all forums.
And please by all means prove my point right.)

The manual install is not always easy.

Plus, the BOINC client will not run as a daemon. It will not run under some better security polices. If running a 64 bit Linux Distro, we have to download further stuff so it can crunch 32 bit data. And that's all if we can figure out how to install something manually onto a Linux box.

Furthermore, I have noticed that my measured floating point speed and integer speed are considerably lower by going the manual install route. At least the last time I tried this.

Did I see someone call someone lazy, not try hard enough and even a liar?? Please tell me I didn't. And instead we came together as a community and helped those out who may not be as fortunate as you.

How do we manually install BOINC from the Berkeley website?

Thank your for providing the links/instructions to PPA. But nothing is working for me. No credit, no errors, just 2 projects that are doing who knows what.

The repository’s are messed up. The easiest and best way to install a new client of BOINC is to install the latest version of our preferred Distros. I've been doing that for 5-7 years now, I'm really tired of this. How is that Win XP can be updated immediately and effortlessly to the most stable version of BOINC? (don't tell me because it runs on the majority of boxes, I know that, we all know that. Why can't Linux easily install and run the most stable versions?)

As a a result of this fiasco, the newest box I just put together is running Windows 7 and it couldn’t be happier. Can't say the same for the Lubuntu box that just got a new nvidia card, darn thing won't run any cuda tasks...

For now I am back to 11.10. I have 3 boxes running and 1 idle. I don't much feel like bringing the other one online, at least until things get straightened out.
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Message 1242733 - Posted: 7 Jun 2012, 11:48:07 UTC - in response to Message 1242669.
Last modified: 7 Jun 2012, 11:52:41 UTC

Could we kindly stay on topic?


No.

The manual install is not always easy.


As I said, most things in Linux aren't easy, despite what the Evangelists say.

If running a 64 bit Linux Distro, we have to download further stuff so it can crunch 32 bit data. And that's all if we can figure out how to install something manually onto a Linux box.


That's because SETI@Home doesn't have 64bit apps for any platform. This is also why I say Linux isn't ready for prime time on the desktop. People would be up in arms if Microsoft took out all 32bit libraries in 64bit Windows and made people download them separately if they wanted to use 32bit apps.

Furthermore, I have noticed that my measured floating point speed and integer speed are considerably lower by going the manual install route. At least the last time I tried this.


The benchmarks are a throwback to older science apps that required them and only remain for backwards compatibility. The benchmarks are meaningless for newer science apps and newer versions of BOINC.

Did I see someone call someone lazy, not try hard enough and even a liar?? Please tell me I didn't. And instead we came together as a community and helped those out who may not be as fortunate as you.


Yep, that would be me! And I couldn't even offer assistance because I don't run Linux and I don't even like Linux. But I know there's enough knowledge in previous topics and knowledgeable people here on the forums that have helped people. If someone has truly tried everything they would have figured it out, because it is possible. If you haven't figured it out, then your obviously missing something, which means you obviously haven't tried everything.

How do we manually install BOINC from the Berkeley website?


The Download link is always the best place to start, and its linked from the home page of SETI.

The repository’s are messed up. The easiest and best way to install a new client of BOINC is to install the latest version of our preferred Distros. I've been doing that for 5-7 years now, I'm really tired of this. How is that Win XP can be updated immediately and effortlessly to the most stable version of BOINC? (don't tell me because it runs on the majority of boxes, I know that, we all know that. Why can't Linux easily install and run the most stable versions?)


The repositories are messed up, which is what Ex has been saying in this thread all along.

As a a result of this fiasco, the newest box I just put together is running Windows 7 and it couldn’t be happier. Can't say the same for the Lubuntu box that just got a new nvidia card, darn thing won't run any cuda tasks...


There are no stock CUDA apps for Linux, so no CUDA tasks will ever be sent to that machine unless you install a third-party science application.

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Message 1242825 - Posted: 7 Jun 2012, 16:01:19 UTC - in response to Message 1242669.
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The repository’s are messed up. The easiest and best way to install a new client of BOINC is to install the latest version of our preferred Distros. I've been doing that for 5-7 years now, I'm really tired of this. How is that Win XP can be updated immediately and effortlessly to the most stable version of BOINC? (don't tell me because it runs on the majority of boxes, I know that, we all know that. Why can't Linux easily install and run the most stable versions?)


Yes, the standard repository version is messed up. But you have options like backporting the package from Quantal (12.10), you can specify an older package to install from your package manager, you can use development PPAs like I had posted here (the broken one! you really want the newest package???)

Besides the repository options I just mentioned, there is in addition the manual install from Berkeley, it's not like building from source, you just run it as an "sh" executable, it installs everything into a couple folders, and you run boincmgr simply by running it as an "sh" executable. No "make" no building, just run some exe's. I believe that's what we do to install in windows? correct?

And I'll go ahead and ask: Did you try the NEW PPA I posted a link to? Did you make sure to remove the broken PPA first? Did you then update your package manager after removing the broken PPA? And did you then try the new PPA I posted? As it should be in working order.....




And last but NOT least. Many of you people are complaining here at seti@home about Ubuntu. WHY???? This is a Ubuntu/Debian issue! (One that I have been in close contact with Debian/Ubuntu maintainers regarding).

This is due to a Debian/Ubuntu bug, if they would fix the broken package (7.0.24) in the precise (12.04) repository, you'd be all set, wouldn't you? So instead of complaining here about Ubuntu, complain here!

Here, we will try to help you with your problems, we can even talk you through a "manual" install of Boinc in Ubuntu, (which is more painless than you seem to think).

And as I said, you should really give the new PPA a shot. See above
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Message 1242924 - Posted: 7 Jun 2012, 17:31:33 UTC - in response to Message 1242825.

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Here, we will try to help you with your problems, we can even talk you through a "manual" install of Boinc in Ubuntu, (which is more painless than you seem to think).



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Message 1242937 - Posted: 7 Jun 2012, 17:46:28 UTC - in response to Message 1242924.
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FOR UBUNTU

Start by opening a terminal. (you can simply type "terminal" into unity's search to find the icon)

Type each line EXACTLY as written, hitting enter after typing each line.
[For 64bit:]
cd wget http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.0.28_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh sh boinc_7.0.28_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh rm boinc_7.0.28_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh

OR [For 32bit:]
cd wget http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_7.0.28_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh sh boinc_7.0.28_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh rm boinc_7.0.28_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh


This will leave a folder named "BOINC" located at "/home/<yourusername>/BOINC"
If you know your way around Ubuntu you can make a shortcut icon to "/home/<username>/BOINC/run_manager" that launches it as a .sh (shell script).

Or you can launch your BOINC manager (again from a terminal) with:
sh /home/<yourusername>/BOINC/run_manager


Hope it helps guys.


Note you can substitute "...boinc_7.0.28_..." with "...boinc_7.0.25_..." in EVERY line, if you wish to have 7.0.25 instead of 7.0.28. Word of mouth on the street is you are better off with 7.0.28 however.


To explain what this does.

cd- makes sure your terminal is in your home directory
wget... downloads the "installer" (I'd actually call it a shell executable)
sh.... runs the installer
rm... removes the installer

See, just like windows. ;-)
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Message 1243438 - Posted: 8 Jun 2012, 18:40:19 UTC - in response to Message 1242937.

See, just like windows. ;-)


No, not just like Windows. Maybe just like the Windows command shell, but there are tons of people who don't know their way around the command shell, so expecting them to know how to do it in *nix is not a good way to make it easy on novices.

If Linux ever wants to be as easy as Windows, you need to download an installer, click "next" few times which automatically installs the program into the correct folder with the correct permissions, then launch the program from the click of an icon. The average person knows no more than that, and doesn't care to know more than that (I should know, I work in IT for a technology company).

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