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Message 1215483 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 3:17:52 UTC - in response to Message 1215473.

Ok, hopefully last post, as I don't want to be a pest, but want to verify I am reading everything correctly. To be able to run the current project (AP6) I need to update my optimized app. To properly utilize it, with the least amount of pain, I should update my vid driver to 266.58. To allow/force the GPU to do the AP crunching, I need to download an add-on to the latest optimized app. Am I missing anything? Lastly, seeing what I am going to have to do, listed above, is there any preferred order to these updates? I would guess I'd start by shutting down BOINC, installing the new vid driver, re-starting, then after rebooting again, shut down BOINC and install the latest optimized app, and then the add-on for doing AP6 on the vid card, then restart BOINC. Is there any editing of the .cfg files needed after doing all these things, or should it pretty much be plug & pray? Thanks for All your advice, guys! And glad to hear the XP64 is GTG for a while, at least!


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AP can be gotten from this link.
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Message 1215484 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 3:21:08 UTC
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I just checked in my control panel, it looks like I am running driver version 270.61, which is in the middle of the 2 recommended drivers. Arg! Do you think it'd be better to upgrade at this point, would trying to got back to a previous version cause any heartburn? Is there a preferred way to uninstall the drivers, to allow the older version to install without conflicts?
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Message 1215486 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 3:48:37 UTC - in response to Message 1215484.

I just checked in my control panel, it looks like I am running driver version 270.61, which is in the middle of the 2 recommended drivers. Arg! Do you think it'd be better to upgrade at this point, would trying to got back to a previous version cause any heartburn? Is there a preferred way to uninstall the drivers, to allow the older version to install without conflicts?


If you are going to use the GPU AP app, then it might be smart to change the drivers now, if you run into troubles, you will be sure its the drivers as you have not changed anything else...

I've gone back and forward with NV drivers with no issues using the clean install option.
But people that had issues, fixed them using a driver sweep utility (I cant remember which one)


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Message 1215487 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 4:03:57 UTC

I'll do the clean install option on the 265 driver. I was looking around my DL dir, and found a directory called boinc_rescheduler_2_5, and it had a file called BOINC Rescheduler64.exe, in the properties it said eFMer Boinc Rescheduler. Any idea what this is/was/should be used for? I DL'ed it on or about 3/29/11, does it apply any longer?


To make it easier to install the r560 NV AP app, you can use this aistub.
http://www.arkayn.us/forum/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item58

AP can be gotten from this link.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60381958/AP6_r560_GPU.7z

Arkayn, I downloaded 7zip and extracted those files to a temp dir, but wasn't exactly sure how to install them, and didn't see any readme for either. Could you please explain what to do, and when to do it? Thanks!
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Message 1215488 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 4:09:58 UTC - in response to Message 1215487.

I'll do the clean install option on the 265 driver. I was looking around my DL dir, and found a directory called boinc_rescheduler_2_5, and it had a file called BOINC Rescheduler64.exe, in the properties it said eFMer Boinc Rescheduler. Any idea what this is/was/should be used for? I DL'ed it on or about 3/29/11, does it apply any longer?


To make it easier to install the r560 NV AP app, you can use this aistub.
http://www.arkayn.us/forum/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item58

AP can be gotten from this link.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60381958/AP6_r560_GPU.7z

Arkayn, I downloaded 7zip and extracted those files to a temp dir, but wasn't exactly sure how to install them, and didn't see any readme for either. Could you please explain what to do, and when to do it? Thanks!


Those will go into the C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu folder.

After installing the 0.40 installer, there will be a Windows Command Script in that folder as well. After running the installer and then placing those files in the folder, double-click on aimerge and it will remake the app_info.xml file with the NV AP app added as well.

There will be several other aistub files in there as well, just leave them there.
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Message 1215489 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 4:11:33 UTC - in response to Message 1215488.

Thank you very much sir! Well, here goes nothing... ;)
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Message 1215501 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 5:22:47 UTC

Well, this sucks, but is about what I expected to happen, one of the many reasons I got out of IT 6 years ago. I run the Nvidia driver installer, choose clean install, and after about 6-8 minutes of installing, it comes up as failed. Ok, I figured the 1st time, maybe it didn't completely clean up after itself, so I rebooted and tried again. This time in the fail screen, instead of having a previous version of the driver, it said none. I then thought to uninstall EVGA Precision software, and try it again, same thing. I tried it one last time without choosing the clean install, same thing. Not sure if it is possible to revert to an older driver with Nvidia, but I will hit there site and try to see if they have some cleaner utility to completely remove all traces, and for good measure while I'm there, I'll re-download the driver again, just in case it was somehow corrupted. *sigh* Yet another reason to leave well enough alone. I'm sure eventually I'll get it, or else just go to a later driver, but I'm not licked yet. If only it didn't take nearly 10 mins per install attempt :-/
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Message 1215502 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 5:29:28 UTC
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A trip into SAFE mode is a good way to get rid of video drivers.
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Message 1215511 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 6:37:08 UTC - in response to Message 1215501.

I'll re-download the driver again, just in case it was somehow corrupted. *sigh* Yet another reason to leave well enough alone. I'm sure eventually I'll get it, or else just go to a later driver, but I'm not licked yet. If only it didn't take nearly 10 mins per install attempt :-/



Awww, it ain't that bad. I've often hit "retry" for 10 minutes to download a WU that my nVidia card does in 90 seconds.

If you want bitter disappointment and frustration, try a Galaxy multi-monitor 560ti that won't work because the PCIe slot "says" it's 2.0 compliant in the motherboard specs, but those specs were written for the latest version of the board which is not something you have and there's no mention of that anywhere, nor is there any access to any specs for other versions and the manual is on a CD somewhere and when you finally find it, it's a poorly translated 25 page booklet, only five pages of warnings not to do things, but not-telling you how to not-do them, in five languages.

Yeah, 10 minutes per attempt... but then, you've been there and done that, which is why you quit going there and doing that. Arrrrrggggg.

I knew I quit building my own computers for some reason.

After I get all the right parts together in the right cases (wish me luck), I think I may go back to buying whatever Best Buy or Office Depot are selling; already stuck together with an OS on them and everything.

But then, who am I fooling? The last time I did that I returned the computer for a failed power supply. They had to ship it off somewhere. It came back. It was damaged in shipping and had to be shipped-off somewhere. It came back, a little bent but otherwise ok. Until the power supply died again... or something, because when I replaced the power supply it acted differently, but not right. So I took it back and it was shipped-off again. This time it came back with an identical power supply, but everything else had changed... The motherboard, RAM, CPU, the hard drive was different, and the case wasn't bent.

I wonder who got mine?

Today, probably two hours was spent re-installing 7 Pro because something went awry in the CMOS. Clearing it only made it worse. Then I stuck the @#$% floppy drive (yes, I still have one) cable on upside-down (I had removed it so I could see), but being as self-assured and arrogant as I am, I had completely closed-up the case before trying to boot it.

So there I was with that stupid cyclops green LED in a steady on... and I said a few things that are so bad I can't even represent them with "@#$% ^^^*@##$".

I hate computers.

But I loves to number-crunch and it'd take too long with an abacus or a slide-rule. Finding an alien with a slide rule... doing FFTs by hand...

Okay, I love computers.

Good luck with your driver issue. Those are soooo much fun. Especially when Windows takes 5 minutes and 1.1 GB of reading and writing just to boot.

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Message 1215619 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 12:54:24 UTC

Thanks for the safe mode thought, it was late and I was tired. I even tried that but it still failed. I ended up going into device mgr, picking the video card, and force upgrading the driver. Took about the same amount of time to load it, but when it was finished, it said version by Nvidia, so I was GTG. I also installed Nview manually. I don't like to install vid drivers in case there is something left out of the raw driver install compared to the normal setup routine thru windows, but at this point I didn't have a choice. After the reboot all looked good, so on to the next step.

I started to install the updated client, and came across a couple choices. First one was should I choose 555 or 557. I have an I7 950 CPU, so I don't know for certain, but it is a fairly current one, so I'd think 557 would be the way to go? The 2nd choice was easier, I believe I remembered I was running 4.1 on the last install, so this would be the way to go on this fresh one.

One other question I posted earlier but deleted in an edit, I found a dir called boinc_rescheduler_2_5 in my D/L directory, and it has a few files in it, one was called BOINC Rescheduler64.exe, in the properties, it said version 0.2.5.0 and description eFMer Boinc Rescheduler. Anyone have any idea what this is, if it's still needed, and how to install it properly if it still is? I presume to just run the .exe, but at this point after my vid driver escapade, I'd rather ask 1st and install later. Thanks again guys!
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Message 1215638 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 14:00:55 UTC - in response to Message 1215619.
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I started to install the updated client, and came across a couple choices. First one was should I choose 555 or 557. I have an I7 950 CPU, so I don't know for certain, but it is a fairly current one, so I'd think 557 would be the way to go? The 2nd choice was easier, I believe I remembered I was running 4.1 on the last install, so this would be the way to go on this fresh one.

Which version you choose doesn't really matter, i found that the r557 version was faster doing offline benches, but the r555 version might be faster when the system is loaded, both apps will use whatever features a CPU supports, up to and including AVX, your mileage may vary.

One other question I posted earlier but deleted in an edit, I found a dir called boinc_rescheduler_2_5 in my D/L directory, and it has a few files in it, one was called BOINC Rescheduler64.exe, in the properties, it said version 0.2.5.0 and description eFMer Boinc Rescheduler. Anyone have any idea what this is, if it's still needed, and how to install it properly if it still is? I presume to just run the .exe, but at this point after my vid driver escapade, I'd rather ask 1st and install later. Thanks again guys!

That is an old rescheduler program for rescheduling Wu's between CPU and GPU, but that version isn't Astropulse v6 compatible,
there is a newer rescheduler that suppports AP v6, But since rescheduling mucks up NewCredit we've been asked to not to reschedule.

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Message 1215648 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 14:31:37 UTC - in response to Message 1215488.

Ok, file copying question, I was copying the files from the temp folder into the C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu folder, and came up with this message: This folder already contains a file named libfftw3f-3.dll. Do you want to replace existing modified March 15, 2012 with one modified July 26, 2011?

I would think the older on is ok since it is included with the other upgraded files, but since it is 9 months older, I have to ask...
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Message 1215652 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 14:40:40 UTC

Skip the copying, it is the same file.
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Message 1215653 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 14:43:28 UTC - in response to Message 1215648.

Ok, file copying question, I was copying the files from the temp folder into the C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu folder, and came up with this message: This folder already contains a file named libfftw3f-3.dll. Do you want to replace existing modified March 15, 2012 with one modified July 26, 2011?

I would think the older on is ok since it is included with the other upgraded files, but since it is 9 months older, I have to ask...

What app was in the temp folder?

It shouldn' matter which which libfftw3f-3.dll you use, all Raistmer's r555/r560 apps use the same libfftw3f-3.dll file, even if the dates are different, the file sizes should be the same.

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Message 1215670 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 15:46:30 UTC - in response to Message 1215653.
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In the temp extraction folder were these files which I copied over:
04/05/2012 03:21 PM 780,800 ap6_win_x86_sse2_opencl_ati_r560.exe
04/05/2012 03:21 PM 5,319,680 ap6_win_x86_sse2_opencl_ati_r560.pdb
04/05/2012 05:16 PM 780,288 ap6_win_x86_sse3_opencl_nv_r560.exe
04/05/2012 05:16 PM 5,319,680 ap6_win_x86_sse3_opencl_nv_r560.pdb
01/24/2012 04:42 PM 43,193 astropulse_kernels_r560.cl

No to copy over the last one and run that program to get all it's ducks in a row, and I will restart BOINC and see if anything blows up... :-O

*edit* Well, just finished running the script, going to reboot and see what happens..
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Message 1215672 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 15:52:57 UTC - in response to Message 1215670.
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In the temp extraction folder were these files which I copied over:
04/05/2012 03:21 PM 780,800 ap6_win_x86_sse2_opencl_ati_r560.exe
04/05/2012 03:21 PM 5,319,680 ap6_win_x86_sse2_opencl_ati_r560.pdb

04/05/2012 05:16 PM 780,288 ap6_win_x86_sse3_opencl_nv_r560.exe
04/05/2012 05:16 PM 5,319,680 ap6_win_x86_sse3_opencl_nv_r560.pdb
01/24/2012 04:42 PM 43,193 astropulse_kernels_r560.cl

No to copy over the last one and run that program to get all it's ducks in a row, and I will restart BOINC and see if anything blows up... :-O

You don't need those two files since you don't have an ATI GPU,

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Message 1215675 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 15:59:38 UTC
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It booted ok, seemed to take a bit longer than usual to hit the desktop, but no BSOD's or anything. Here is the initial info when BOINC started up, do you guys see anything wrong? Hopefully the pain will lead to a little gain in the crunching dept, and it gives me some time before I have to go thru this mess again... *edit* Claggy, thanks, I'll delete them, prob wouldn't make a diff but less stuff to clutter up the dir.

4/8/2012 10:53:38 AM Starting BOINC client version 6.10.60 for windows_x86_64
4/8/2012 10:53:38 AM log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
4/8/2012 10:53:38 AM Libraries: libcurl/7.19.7 OpenSSL/0.9.8l zlib/1.2.3
4/8/2012 10:53:38 AM Data directory: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC
4/8/2012 10:53:38 AM Running under account Administrator
4/8/2012 10:53:38 AM Processor: 8 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 950 @ 3.07GHz [Family 6 Model 26 Stepping 5]
4/8/2012 10:53:38 AM Processor: 256.00 KB cache
4/8/2012 10:53:38 AM Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 syscall nx lm vmx tm2 popcnt pbe
4/8/2012 10:53:38 AM OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Professional x64 Edition, Service Pack 2, (05.02.3790.00)
4/8/2012 10:53:38 AM Memory: 5.99 GB physical, 7.61 GB virtual
4/8/2012 10:53:38 AM Disk: 232.88 GB total, 215.66 GB free
4/8/2012 10:53:38 AM Local time is UTC -5 hours
4/8/2012 10:53:39 AM NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GTX 260 (driver version 26658, CUDA version 3020, compute capability 1.3, 896MB, 630 GFLOPS peak)
4/8/2012 10:53:39 AM NVIDIA GPU 1: GeForce GTX 260 (driver version 26658, CUDA version 3020, compute capability 1.3, 896MB, 630 GFLOPS peak)
4/8/2012 10:53:39 AM NVIDIA GPU 2: GeForce GTX 260 (driver version 26658, CUDA version 3020, compute capability 1.3, 896MB, 630 GFLOPS peak)
4/8/2012 10:53:39 AM NVIDIA GPU 3: GeForce GTX 260 (driver version 26658, CUDA version 3020, compute capability 1.3, 896MB, 630 GFLOPS peak)
4/8/2012 10:53:39 AM SETI@home Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
4/8/2012 10:53:44 AM SETI@home URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 5873188; resource share 100
4/8/2012 10:53:44 AM SETI@home General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 26-May-2007 00:12:51)
4/8/2012 10:53:44 AM SETI@home Computer location: home
4/8/2012 10:53:44 AM SETI@home General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
4/8/2012 10:53:44 AM Reading preferences override file
4/8/2012 10:53:44 AM Preferences:
4/8/2012 10:53:44 AM max memory usage when active: 3067.44MB
4/8/2012 10:53:44 AM max memory usage when idle: 5828.13MB
4/8/2012 10:53:51 AM max disk usage: 100.00GB
4/8/2012 10:53:51 AM (to change preferences, visit the web site of an attached project, or select Preferences in the Manager)
4/8/2012 10:53:52 AM Not using a proxy
4/8/2012 10:53:52 AM SETI@home Started download of 16my11aa.6013.225319.14.10.54
4/8/2012 10:53:52 AM SETI@home Started download of 16my11aa.6013.225319.14.10.56
4/8/2012 10:53:52 AM SETI@home Restarting task 27no11ah.28906.67.14.10.104_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 603
4/8/2012 10:53:52 AM SETI@home Restarting task 27no11ah.28906.67.14.10.102_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 603
4/8/2012 10:53:52 AM SETI@home Restarting task 27no11ah.28906.67.14.10.100_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 603
4/8/2012 10:53:52 AM SETI@home Restarting task 27no11ah.16362.13155.13.10.211_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 603
4/8/2012 10:53:52 AM SETI@home Restarting task 27no11ah.16362.13155.13.10.209_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 603
4/8/2012 10:53:52 AM SETI@home Restarting task 27no11ah.16362.13155.13.10.205_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 603
4/8/2012 10:53:52 AM SETI@home Restarting task 27no11ah.16362.13155.13.10.202_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 603
4/8/2012 10:53:53 AM SETI@home Restarting task 27no11ah.16362.13155.13.10.200_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 603
4/8/2012 10:53:54 AM SETI@home Restarting task 03ja12ae.32672.1404.12.10.208_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 608
4/8/2012 10:53:54 AM SETI@home Restarting task 03ja12ae.32672.1404.12.10.205_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 608
4/8/2012 10:53:54 AM SETI@home Restarting task 03ja12ae.32672.1404.12.10.200_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 608
4/8/2012 10:53:55 AM SETI@home Restarting task 03ja12ae.32672.1404.12.10.198_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 608
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Message 1215681 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 16:09:59 UTC - in response to Message 1215675.
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It booted ok, seemed to take a bit longer than usual to hit the desktop, but no BSOD's or anything. Here is the initial info when BOINC started up, do you guys see anything wrong? Hopefully the pain will lead to a little gain in the crunching dept, and it gives me some time before I have to go thru this mess again... *edit* Claggy, thanks, I'll delete them, prob wouldn't make a diff but less stuff to clutter up the dir.

4/8/2012 10:53:39 AM SETI@home Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform

Well Boinc did find the app_info and didn't complain about any missing files

The only other thing to do is to make sure AstroPulse v6 is enabled in your SETI@home preferences

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Message 1215714 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 18:06:38 UTC - in response to Message 1215681.
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The only other thing to do is to make sure AstroPulse v6 is enabled in your SETI@home preferences

Claggy

Thanks for the heads up, I took a look and they were all checked, so I'm good to go. It'll be interesting to see if I get any perf improvement. Is there anything I need to do to make sure the AP tasks go to the vid card instead of the CPU? I've heard that they can run faster, depending on the vid card of course, and as I have GTX260's, is there any way other than babysitting it, forcing tasks one way and then the other, and doing the compares, to know which is best?
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Message 1215763 - Posted: 8 Apr 2012, 19:29:08 UTC
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Is there any particular reason why an AP 6 WU running on a GPU should only use 6% of the GPU?

ITs the first GPU astropulse task wu rig has recieved and I'm a little surprised by the low GPU usage.

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